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fubarobfusco comments on Peter Thiel warns of upcoming (and current) stagnation - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: fubarobfusco 10 October 2011 07:28:52AM 0 points [-]

As far as I can tell, the only demographic sector of my society in which fatherhood can be said to be "destroyed", is specifically that sector that has been targeted by government policies that systematically place young adult men in prison for long terms — and largely for ideological, pseudoscientific reasons.

Comment author: CaveJohnson 10 October 2011 09:43:42PM *  6 points [-]

Drug laws should be considerably relaxed (I actually favour full legalization of basically everything) but there is pretty strong evidence however you splice it (or rather whichever of the oh top three or four most likley social groups you may have in mind) that they would still be incarcerated more. I'm willing to go for 10 to 1 odds that this would be so even in a perfectly fair (whatever that is) system.

Some people just commit more violent crime than others.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 October 2011 12:04:13PM *  0 points [-]

You mean the same one in which women beat out men on most socioeconomic indicators by a sometimes significant margin?

Comment author: fubarobfusco 10 October 2011 05:22:33PM 1 point [-]

It's hard to do very well on most socioeconomic indicators if you're in jail.

Comment author: [deleted] 10 October 2011 09:31:20PM *  2 points [-]

True naturally. But fatherhood has declined in other groups where there has been no rise in incarceration concurrently with the rise of female status.

I think this is because the average male stripped of social (patriarchal) status signaling or marked accomplishment feels intuitively less valuable to us than a female. The thoroughly average Joe is implicitly worth less as a human being to us than a thoroughly average Jane at least when it comes to sympathy with their suffering or desire to alleviate terrible socioeconomic circumstances. Men might be "worth more" according to our intuition when looking for exceptional traits however.