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53 Post author: Yvain 17 October 2011 06:49PM

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Comment author: buybuydandavis 18 October 2011 08:44:56PM 1 point [-]

So I'm not sure why you picked the bank bailouts as an example. They were widely seen as the exact opposite of what we're talking about.

Uh huh. Granting the government power to redistribute wealth "for the public good" had the consequence of the poor getting saddled with trillions in debt. Maybe they don't believe they benefit from such a system.

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Frederic Bastiat

Maybe the working poor believe that the wealth redistribution game is a negative sum game, and advocate that we don't play it. Yes, they might fight and claw at the trough, and get some portion of the slop. Why should they believe they'll be more successful in that fight than the rich and well connected, particularly after just witnessing the rich and well connected walk off with trillions?

It's like free speech. There is a lot of speech that offends me. I wish people didn't believe that rubbish. But I wouldn't want to empower the government to ban such speech, because having granted the government such power, why would I believe that would never be turned against speech I approve of?

This has always been the puzzle of the Revolutionary Vanguard. Why don't the Proles support us, when our policies benefit them? Maybe, the Proles think the policies of the Revolutionary Vanguard won't benefit them. There's no puzzle to solve unless you just can't conceive that the Revolutionary Vanguard may be wrong.

Comment author: Jack 18 October 2011 09:19:12PM -1 points [-]

This is both non-responsive and arguing against a position I don't actually hold. I lean 'liberaltarian', you're not arguing with Thomas Frank.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 18 October 2011 11:38:15PM 4 points [-]

The only position I'm arguing against is that it is a mystery why the working poor don't support government wealth redistribution. It isn't a mystery to me, and I gave my solution to the supposed conundrum. I think that's responsive.