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Comment author: D_Alex 31 October 2011 05:37:01AM 1 point [-]

The lack of threshold is exactly the issue. If you include dolphins and chimpanzees, explicitly, you'd be in a position to apply the same reasoning to include parrots and dogs, then rodents and octopi, etc, etc.

Eventually you'll slide far enough down this slippery slope to reach caterpillars and parasitic wasps. Now, what would a wasp want to do, if it understood how its acts affect the other creatures worthy of inclusion in the CEV?

This is what I see as the difficulty in extrapolating the wishes of simpler creatures. Perhaps in fact there is a coherent solution, but having only thought about this a little, I suspect there might not be one.

Comment author: lessdazed 31 October 2011 07:19:16AM 1 point [-]

lack of threshold...then rodents...parasitic wasps

We don't have to care. If everyone or nearly all were convinced that something less than 20 pounds had no moral value, or a person less than 40 days old, or whatever, that would be that.

Also, as some infinite sums have finite limits, I do not think that small things necessarily make summing humans' or the Earth's morality impossible.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 31 October 2011 06:09:33PM 0 points [-]

Ah, OK. Sure, if your concern is that, if we extrapolated the volition of such creatures, we would find that they don't cohere, I'm with you. I have similar concerns about humans, actually.

I'd thought you were saying that we'd be unable to extrapolate it in the first place, which is a different problem.