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Comment author: eugman 23 October 2011 11:10:52AM *  0 points [-]

Maybe your child is an INTP

On the other hand, their ability to grasp complexity may also lead them to provide overly detailed explanations of simple ideas, and listeners may judge that the INTP makes things more difficult than they need to be. To the INTPs' mind, they are presenting all the relevant information or trying to crystallize the concept as clearly as possible.

I was definitely like this and I still am, although I'm finally getting better. I was always honest to a fault, especially as a child. In fact, I didn't even want to say things that were true but insincere, because I felt implicitly that it was too close to lying. So if I was eating a delicious meal, and everyone around the table was saying something nice, I would hesitate because I knew that I was expected to say something, but I may not have normally.

Comment author: irrational 23 October 2011 07:35:37PM 0 points [-]

He probably is an INTP, although it's too early to tell. I am too. That doesn't really answer the question:)

Comment author: eugman 24 October 2011 07:40:57PM *  0 points [-]

Which question? Whether or not to teach him to lie? For that one my answers are: I don't know, it's not my place to say, no, yes and I'm not sure how. In that order. More concretely, I think it's important you teach him to be honest and teach him the social game because I personally benefited from learning both. As to how, it's hard to say, but if he's anything like me, he's a high level thinker, so go meta. Talk about economics, talk about the difference between content and form, talk about communication and signaling.. Explain that by responding in a limited way he is allowing another person to show interest without getting involved in a deep conversation. Treat this as a charitable service we can provide to one another.

As for why you personally feel it's wrong to lie here's my take on it. I personally tend to be very rigid about rules and principles. I believe that is something is bad on average then it's bad as a whole. I also believe that once you start making exceptions for rules like no lying, it's very easy to make exceptions for the wrong lies, thus defeating the purpose of the rule. So instead of drawing a line in the sand one expects to be wrong, one doesn't go in the sand at all.

Now arguably this is very rigid thinking and I've adapted to be more flexible as of late. But still, this sort of morality appeals to me on a fundamental level.