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31 Post author: Rubix 28 October 2011 07:02PM

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Comment author: lessdazed 29 October 2011 06:46:42AM 0 points [-]

affects

The trick is that the principle is sound, but those implications don't follow, because if I mind if someone does something, it thereby affects me.

One might ask: if I don't know something, how can it affect me, for "we care only about our own states of mind"?

As it turns out, I care about the world directly, and that's the meaning of "affect" here - affecting my utility, not affecting my perception of my utility.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 29 October 2011 07:24:46PM 4 points [-]

As it turns out, I care about the world directly, and that's the meaning of "affect" here - affecting my utility, not affecting my perception of my utility.

In that case TheOtherDave's statement is completely vacuous.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 29 October 2011 07:00:51AM 3 points [-]

The trick is that the principle is sound, but those implications don't follow, because if I mind if someone does something, it thereby affects me.

That goes too far, though. There are plenty of people in the world who would think that all of us should be executed for the doctrines we accept as a common background here. How much say do you think they are entitled to have in LessWrong?

Comment author: lessdazed 29 October 2011 07:29:20AM *  1 point [-]

If it's not what they want, that they're not getting it is negative, but it doesn't mean anything here is a net negative.

Regarding "How much say...they are entitled to have", even if they are affected it isn't necessarily good to grant them anything. A loose analogy: in a psychology experiment where one makes even bets on card color from a deck of blue and red cards, if one determines ~75% are red, one should bet red every time. Likewise, those who would execute LWers for common doctrines here should have zero sway despite having an interest greater than zero.