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Comment author: jimrandomh 09 November 2011 07:53:21PM 0 points [-]

You are saying that your interpretation implies the original question.

I'm saying it's an interpretation of the original question, yes.

No. "A implies B" means either A&B, ~A&B, or ~A&~B. "A is an interpretation of B" means either A&B or ~A&~B, but excludes ~A&B. Let the statements be

(X) “A dollar means more to a poor person than it does to a rich person”
(Y) "A poor person is more likely to base his self-worth on how many dollars he owns than a rich person is likely to base his self-worth on how many dollars he owns."

You argued that Y implies X, but you didn't do anything to argue against X&~Y. I happen to believe X&~Y, which makes these statements definitely not mere rephrasings of each other.

Comment author: Logos01 09 November 2011 08:24:57PM *  -1 points [-]

"A is an interpretation of B" means either A&B or ~A&~B, but excludes ~A&B

Let the statements be (X) [...] (Y)

Here's your error. There's a (Z).

(Z) "A poor person will suffer more for the lack of one dollar than a rich person will suffer for the lack of one dollar."

Here's what I originally said, broken into symbolic logic for you:

  • X ⊃ Z
  • X ⊃ Y
  • Y = ¬Z & Z = ¬Y

At no time did I say, however, that Y ⊃ Z. That assertion would be a direct contradiction of my last line in the comment:

Both of these rephrasings are potential "effectively synonymous" statements to the original question, but I hope that their answers are quite obviously inverted from each other.