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Comment author: lessdazed 10 November 2011 03:42:59PM 4 points [-]

I don't remember where I saw it, but after the Gulf of Mexico spill last year there was a poll about offshore drilling asking if the spill had changed opinions on offshore drilling in general. People were asked if the incident made them less likely to support further drilling, more likely to support further drilling, or neither. A significant percentage selected the second, presumably responding as if the question asked if they favored offshore drilling in general.

It's logically possible the spill could have made someone more supportive of drilling. This would be reasonable to the extent they would expect a random disaster to have a higher loss of life and cause more damage, and now thought any disaster likely to be less catastrophic. This would have to outweigh the event's indicating disasters are more likely than they had thought.

Comment author: see 11 November 2011 12:55:04AM 3 points [-]

presumably responding as if the question asked if they favored offshore drilling in general.

Why do you presume that?

Certainly, it's not particularly probable that most people would rationally update in favor of drilling, but it's perfectly possible that significant numbers of people acting irrationally would respond to attacks on drilling by becoming more strongly in favor of drilling than before the attacks. Increasing fanaticism when under siege is not an unprecedented reaction in human psychology.

Comment author: lessdazed 11 November 2011 03:52:42AM 2 points [-]

people acting irrationally would respond to attacks on drilling by becoming more strongly in favor of drilling than before

In studies I've seen showing this effect, people deny it in themselves. It is an embarrassing thing if true, I think that's obvious. I expect people to misunderstand or mis-think the question rather than answer honestly after accurate introspection.

the attacks

I think it was an accident.

Comment author: see 11 November 2011 01:05:24PM 1 point [-]

It is an embarrassing thing if true, I think that's obvious.

"I didn't care about X until it came under attack" is not considered a damaging admission in most political discussions I've seen. While the usual meaning of that declaration is that the person has merely rallied around his political tribe's position, the person involved doesn't characterize it that way. What he knows is he didn't have a strong opinion, and now he does, and he assumes that he has good reason for it. He'll acknowledge that it's new while resenting any implication that the new opinion is irrationally-acquired. If you try to break down the why, he might notice that he's being irrational, but then you can flip a coin as to whether he'll be embarrassed and update rationally or be embarrassed and double-down.

I think it was an accident.

The blowout was an accident, yes. Things like people calling for a moratorium on drilling afterward were not, they were, in political parlance, "attacks". People of the tribe that pre-accident included drilling-is-bad among their beliefs used the accident as ammunition to attack their enemies, and people of the enemy tribe, many of whom had not actually thought about drilling in the Gulf before, rallied to defend when bombarded.

Comment author: lessdazed 11 November 2011 01:38:19PM 1 point [-]

flip a coin

A trick coin.

in political parlance, "attacks"

Oops, I get it now.