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The problem with your problem is that it is wrong. You have Omega asserting something we have good reason to disbelieve. You might as well have Omega come in and announce that there is an entity somewhere who will suffer dreadfully if we don't start eating babies.
All you're saying is "suppose <evil thing> were actually good"? Well, suppose away. So what?
Do you see the difference between your Omega and the one who poses Newcomb's problem?
Richard
I sincerely appreciate your reply. Why do we accept Omega in Eleizers thought experiment and not mine? In the original some people claim to obviously pick torture, yet unwilling to pick rape because why? Well, like you said, you refuse to believe that rapist suffer. That is fair. But if that is fair, then Bob might refuse to believe that people with specks in their eyes suffer as well...
You can not assign rules for one and not the other.
Not true. I am saying that some people get utility from evil. Not me, not you but why am I not allowed to use that as an example?
Bottom line is that I personaly am unresolved and I will remain unresolved rationally across all examples. I know what I would do. I would 3^^^3 pick dust and follow up with 3^^^3 deprived rapists. But for strong "torturers" such as Grognor, depriving rapists will be inconsistent with his beliefs.
I also "refuse" to believe that the Earth is flat -- or to put it more accurately, I assert that it is false.
The difference is that Bob would be wrong.
Making random shit up and saying "what if this?", "what if that?" doesn't make for a useful discussion.
Then again, I am not a utilitarian, so I have no problem with saying that the more someone wants to do an evil thing, the more they should be prevented from doing it.