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CasioTheSane comments on Neil deGrasse Tyson on Cryonics - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: CasioTheSane 14 May 2012 06:43:18AM 0 points [-]

I agree with you that the enormous cost is probably not worth it, when you start thinking what else could be accomplished with the money in the context of it's low probability of success.

However, those technologies that increase human lifespan are really something entirely different than cryonics, not a replacement for it.

Even if we increase lifespan significantly, as long as we still have a lifespan cryonics would allow us to remain frozen until even more life extension technologies come about. It's also a potentially viable method for keeping people alive for long distance space travel at sub-relativistic speeds.

I'd look forward to seeing a more detailed post (or even a journal article) from you going into the biochemistry specifics of the problems with cryonics you mention in this post, and your other posts in this thread. I am particularly curious why rehydration would denature proteins which are naturally stable in water? And what sort of membrane distortions would occur that aren't reversible?

Comment author: kalla724 14 May 2012 06:34:15PM 5 points [-]

All good reason to keep working on it.

The questions you ask are very complex. The short answers (and then I'm really leaving the question at that point until a longer article is ready):

  • Rehydration involves pulling off the stabilizer molecules (glycerol, trehalose) and replacing them dynamically with water. This can induce folding changes, some of which are irreversible. This is not theoretical: many biochemists have to deal with this in their daily work.
  • Membrane distortions also distort relative position of proteins within that membrane (and the structure of synaptic scaffold, a complex protein structure that underlies the synaptic membrane). Regenerating the membrane and returning it to the original shape and position doesn't necessarily return membrane-bound molecules to their original position.