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0 Post author: potato 17 November 2011 10:45AM

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Comment author: potato 17 November 2011 12:29:42PM 1 point [-]

defenitions point to meanings, but the meaning of a term can only be found by looking at the cognitive machines that use the term, and in that specific contxt as well.

Comment author: Logos01 17 November 2011 01:21:32PM -1 points [-]

defenitions point to meanings, but the meaning of a term can only be found by looking at the cognitive machines that use the term, and in that specific contxt as well.

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definition:

  1. A statement of the exact meaning of a word, esp. in a dictionary.
  2. An exact statement or description of the nature, scope, or meaning of something.

meaning:

  1. What is meant by a word, text, concept, or action

Definitions are meanings. And meanings are definitions.

A ⊃ B & B ⊃ A ⊨ A = B

I remain lost as to where the paradox is supposed to be.

Comment author: Larks 17 November 2011 06:17:23PM 1 point [-]

The quotes you give suggest definitions are statements of meaning, not meanings.

Comment author: Logos01 17 November 2011 07:05:46PM -1 points [-]

... I am not especially aware of there being a functional difference between a "statement of meaning" and the meaning itself when we're discussing what terms mean.

Anything that is applicable to a definition is applicable to the meaning itself. Any adjustment of the meaning adjusts the defintion. Any adjustment of the definition adjusts the meaning. When you have a direct correlation with bi-directional causality, that is mutual identity.

Comment author: potato 18 November 2011 06:47:23PM 1 point [-]

Have you read the cluster structure of thing space? Or the exponential concept space article? I recommend them.

Comment author: Logos01 18 November 2011 11:27:41PM *  0 points [-]

Yes I have read them, and they are not relevant to the topic of mutual identity between 'definition' and 'meaning*'.

*: s/magic/meaning/. Thanks, Swype!