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Comment author: lessdazed 22 November 2011 05:57:03PM 3 points [-]

The very ability to formulate the statement requires knowledge that contradicts the belief.

Assume "genetically modified" is the teacher's password to them.

Comment author: Logos01 22 November 2011 06:01:24PM 3 points [-]

Oh, I'm sure it's very similar to "chemicals". But even allowing for that I find it painful. Mostly because, while I find your statement likely, I strongly wish it weren't true. Furthermore, despite living in a rather conservative state (Arizona) I have never encountered a person with such a paucity of understanding. For this to comprise, then, roughly half of the nation?

... Eh. I should know better, I suppose; just the other day I ran into someone who told me in absolute terms that no only didn't she know what a counterfactual was, she had absolutely no interest in learning about them and went on to assert that it was morally wrong of me to attempt to inform her. Such willful ignorance, then, is what's "painful" to me.

Comment author: CronoDAS 23 November 2011 01:56:51AM 2 points [-]

Furthermore, despite living in a rather conservative state (Arizona) I have never encountered a person with such a paucity of understanding. For this to comprise, then, roughly half of the nation?

Chances are you met one and didn't know it. My father once asked my (high-school-aged) neighbors how long ago the dinosaurs lived. They said they didn't know but guessed about ten thousand years ago. I was surprised, because I knew it was millions of years ago although I didn't remember exactly how many millions it was (but vaguely remembered the number 65 million in connection with dinosaurs).

Comment author: Xachariah 23 November 2011 08:14:53AM 1 point [-]

To admit my ignorance, I only know the particular '65 million years' number because of Jurassic Park.

Comment author: Logos01 23 November 2011 02:33:37AM 1 point [-]

When I say "encountered" I include the presence of contextual clues, or topical requirements. Talking about GMOs for example, or why there isn't just one "flu shot", etc.

They said they didn't know but guessed about ten thousand years ago.

Evolution and its history are intentionally avoided by teachers in public schools: only about 28% of teachers actually teach to the NRC's recommendations.

Genetics on the other hand... has made its way into television commercials. So this confounds me.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 07 December 2011 10:19:52PM 1 point [-]

and went on to assert that it was morally wrong of me to attempt to inform her.

This is the part that surprises me. What argument(s) did she give that telling her what a counterfactual was is wrong? Was it just something along the lines of "that's a useless fact and you're wasting my time", or did she actually think that it would be immoral to know that at all?