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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 29 November 2011 03:41:13AM 9 points [-]

Sometimes with small children, I get the impression they're asking "why?" for the social interaction rather than to actually get answers. I'm not sure I'm right about this, but it can be very tiresome to give serious answers to questions under those circumstances.

Any thoughts about how to tell whether a child wants real answers? If it is for the social interaction, what's a graceful way to handle it without squelching real curiosity?

I agree about the comfort of giving up hope , or at least that's a plausible explanation for why I'm seeing people so sure of their pessimism being correct when the future is so hard to predict.

Comment author: tetsuo55 29 November 2011 09:05:23AM *  4 points [-]

In my limited experience with children i have found that children will only do this when they are being ignored. I have only experienced it once myself and you quickly see the child is teasing you by their eyes and uneasy movement. The benchmark I use is repeating the same question again at a later time, that means they either did not understand or are teasing.

Comment author: TimS 29 November 2011 03:54:38AM 4 points [-]

Any thoughts about how to tell whether a child wants real answers? If it is for the social interaction, what's a graceful way to handle it without squelching real curiosity?

My intuition is that figuring out whether the child wants a "real answer" is not a good use of your time. Instead, you should treat every question as a real question and try to come up with a rule about when to answer them. Reasons to stop answering might include (1) your lack of interest in answering, (2) the answer is beyond the child's ability to comprehend - I can easily image a conversation with a 4 year old that basically resolves to "Go learn calculus," which isn't a useful answer.

And if you decide to stop answering, you can just tell the child that you don't want to answer more questions. If the response to that is "why," then it's pretty safe to say that falsifiable statements are not where the conversation is located.

Comment author: Nisan 29 November 2011 04:44:34AM *  7 points [-]

Sometimes with small children, I get the impression they're asking "why?" for the social interaction rather than to actually get answers.

The story I tell myself about this is that at some point every child learns that there is a magic word, "why", that always keeps a conversation going. I will test this hypothesis the next time a kid does this to me by responding with nonsense.

"Why?"

"Because zebra donkey tomatillos."

"Why?"

"See, you're not even listening."

"Why?"

Comment author: bradm 29 November 2011 02:56:58PM *  7 points [-]

This reminds me of Louis CK's bit about kids asking "why?"

Louis C. K.: Because some things are and some things are not!

Daughter: Why?

Louis: Because things that are not can't be!

Daughter: Why?

Louis: Because then nothing wouldn't be! You can't have nothing isn't! Everything is!

Daughter: Why?

Louis: Because if nothing wasn't, there would be all kinds of shit that we don't like. Giant ants with top hats dancing around. There isn't room for that shit!

Comment author: gwern 29 November 2011 09:06:27PM 3 points [-]

...You know, that dialogue is disturbingly like ancient and Pre-socratic discussions of Parmenides.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 29 November 2011 07:22:35AM *  8 points [-]

"Because zebra donkey tomatillos."

I predict the answer is:

"No, that's silly!"

(I've tried something similar to this with a friend's kid.)

Comment author: JoshuaZ 29 November 2011 07:11:11PM 3 points [-]

I suspect that they'd be much more likely to notice if the sentence doesn't make grammatical sense. In the grammatical but nonsensical versions they might be listening and even then just lack the ability to understand fully if they've been given a good explanation. In some cases "why" might even be shorthand for not understanding the previous explanation.

Comment author: David_Gerard 29 November 2011 01:26:00PM *  1 point [-]

You appear to have an audio bug in my house.

Comment author: TimS 29 November 2011 04:57:41AM 0 points [-]

Just because I'm curious, what probability would you assign to your hypothesis being correct?

Comment author: Nisan 29 November 2011 05:05:04AM *  1 point [-]

50%. And I'd only do it when I'm irritated. The irritation means they don't care about the answer.

EDIT: Sorry, I mean 50% probability that they won't notice I'm talking nonsense. I don't want to assign a probability to the underlying hypothesis.