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Comment author: Morendil 04 January 2012 09:50:25AM *  8 points [-]

I distinctly remember one occasion when I was instructing a group of software engineers on the topic of "agile planning", and I started drawing a picture of the "cone of uncertainty".

And I stopped dead in my tracks.

Because I'd just realized I hadn't the foggiest idea what I was talking about, or how I'd know if it made sense. I was just parroting something I'd read somewhere, and for once trying to explain it wasn't helping me understand it better, it was just making me confused. And all I wanted to say anyway was "don't trust estimates made at the beginning of a project".

Fortunately nobody noticed (that often happens, and is a topic in its own right), I moved on, stopped using that picture and mostly forgot about it.

This was a few years back, and I like to think that in the meantime I've traversed the valley that lies behind Mt Stupid, and am now ready to start talking about it again. In particular what scares me - you'll be scared too if you google for "software" and "cone of uncertainty" - is how many people in the profession are still stuck on the summit: willing to opine at length about the Cone, without an inch of critical distance from what they're quoting. Is it conceptual, speculative, empirical; if the latter, how well supported? People quoting it don't know and don't care.

Comment author: Karmakaiser 09 January 2012 05:53:17PM 4 points [-]

I rather like the term "cone of uncertainty." It seems like a spell a third level wizard (or perhaps a junior year philosophy student) could cast.

Comment author: Morendil 09 January 2012 05:59:56PM 1 point [-]

Indeed. :)

Comment author: Multiheaded 14 January 2012 11:49:55AM 0 points [-]

Are you sure?

Comment author: Karmakaiser 14 January 2012 02:00:41PM 0 points [-]

Existentialism is a junior class at my university's philosophy department, so yes.

Comment author: Multiheaded 15 January 2012 06:08:54AM 0 points [-]

I just was making an atrocious joke here.

Comment author: Karmakaiser 15 January 2012 06:27:22AM 0 points [-]

So was I.