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I also think that HJPEV is a unsufferable little twat / horrible little jerk, but I love LW and have donated hundreds of dollars to SIAI. And I've strongly recommended HPMOR itself even when I warn people it has something of a jerk for a protagonist. Why shouldn't I ? Is anyone disputing that he's much less nice than e.g. Hermione is, and he often treats other people with horribly bad manners? If he's not insufferable, who is actually suffering him other than Hermione (who has also had to punish him by not speaking to him for a week) or Draco (who found him so insufferable in occasion that he locked him up and Gom-Jabbared him...)
And Hermione's tendency to pull this sort of stunt makes her even more insufferable than Harry. While I might choose to tolerate those two as allies and associate with them for sake of gaining power or saving the world I'd say Neville is the only actually likable character that Eliezer has managed to include.
Writing about characters that are arrogant prats does seem to come naturally to Eliezer for some reason.
To you maybe, but Hermione is well-liked by lots of other characters, SPHEW and her army and the professors. "insufferable know-it-all" is how Ron calls her in canon. In HPMOR she actually is nicer, less dogmatic and has many more friends than in canon. Compare canon SPEW with SPHEW, and how she goes about doing each.
Yes.
It is one thing to write about a character that is an arrogant prat that is perceived as an arrogant prat by the other characters. It is far more telling when obnoxious or poorly considered behavior is portrayed within the story as appropriate or wise and so accepted by all the other characters.
I'm not a huge fan of either of them to be honest. Although MoR!Hermione does get points for doing whichever of those two acronyms is the one that involved beating up bullies. Although now I'm having vague memories about her having a tantrum when Harry saved the lives of the girls she put at risk. Yeah, she's a pratt. A dangerous prat. Apart from making her controlling and unpleasant to be around that ego of hers could get people killed! And what makes it worse is that Hermione's idiotic behavior seems to be more implicitly endorsed as appropriate by the author than Harry's idiotic behavior.
I don't understand you. The rest of the paragraph seems to be arguing that this was irresponsible idiotic behavior on her part; this sentence seems to be saying it's a point in her favor.
I think you're significantly misremembering what she said -- she explicitly didn't mind Harry saving them, she minded that he scared the bejeezus out of her. Do you belong in that small minority of HPMOR readers who only read each chapter once? :-)
I approve of fighting bullying. I don't approve of initiating conflict when Harry saves their lives by pulling a Harry. Because his actions in that situation aren't really any of her business. Harry's actions in that scene are in acordance with Harry's Harriness and he would have done them without her involvement. They aren't about her (making this situation different in nature to the earlier incident pretending to be a ghost to stop a gossip.)
Citation needed. Actually for realz, not as the typical 'nerd comeback'. I want to know what chapter to start reading to review the incident. Both because that is one of the most awesome things Harry has done and because I do actually recall Hermione engaging in behavior in the aftermath of the incident that makes me think less of her.
Most significantly she makes Harry give an oath that makes me think less of Harry (and MoR) for submitting to. Because he made a promise the adherence to which could make him lose the fight for the universe! I've actually had a discussion with Eliezer on the subject and was somewhat relieved when he admitted that he wrote in the necessary clauses but omitted them only for stylistic reasons.
Chapter 75:
Well, Professor Quirrell seems to have taken quite a liking to him, but I don't think he counts...
I always assumed that this character detail was intentional, especially since some other characters call HP out on it explicitly.
Got a similar reaction. Well, except the donating dollars part. Though I'm not bothered so much by the way that HJPEV interacts with people but rather by his unique-snowflake/superhero/God-wannabe complex.