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Comment author: Multiheaded 25 January 2012 06:55:17PM *  5 points [-]

being able to think whatever I like without monitoring

Total, ubiquitous and universally available surveillance, including automated facial expression and body language analysis (every citizen being, given some work, able to check out every hour of someone else's life the way we check Facebook status, plus low-level AI monitoring) is part of a short Weirdtopia story I'm writing. I've decided to set it on a planet in the Warhammer 40k universe BTW.

having my thoughts censorsed/deleted

Now that would be completely unacceptable indeed. Is, say, being on the business end of the mental health system in the worst way possible something like that? For myself, I don't consider a life with something like that to be worth living.

Comment author: HeatDeath 27 January 2012 10:56:35PM *  4 points [-]

In the WH40K universe, a small group of acquaintances, doing basic experimental research in applied parapsychology can, and eventually /will/ create a portal to Hell out of which pours a demonic army which then proceeds to do very unpleasant things to everybody on the planet. Given that the Imperium's standard policy in such an event is to sterilize the entire planet, total transparency as described above is probably a relatively stable, safe, and even pleasant model of society to live in (certainly relative to a lot of the other options).

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 28 January 2012 03:38:26AM 7 points [-]

The scary thing is that the real world appears to be approaching a similar situation with respect to epidemiology, or possibly even microbiology more generally.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 February 2012 03:11:32PM *  7 points [-]

A alternative adaptation to this is to stay indoors. A lot. Imagine people working and socializing in virtual environments only. Sharing physical space or having physical contact with people might soon become something limited to family or sexual partners, and I would argue we are already moving in that direction. Even causal sex, one of the few ways in which we have more interpersonal contact with different people than we used to, may be on the way out if virtual sex or sex bots (sex with a human through a robot avatar might be a superior experience soon) become good enough that only romantics bother with the "natural" kind.

Taking a few additional precautions to systematically reduce the possibility of infection with food and other deliveries one could get a high level of safety. Oceans, moutains and deserts used to be barriers to disease, might our front door prove a suitable replacement? If you live with only a few people, you can make the entire home one big bubble.

This could eventually transition to bodies being sustained by artificial means and people spending all their time in virtual space or incarnated in real life robotic avatars. Might not sound much better than total constant surveillance, but consider, we may actually be able to have more privacy preserved in society that moves first in this direction than if we first eliminate privacy and then transition to a mostly virtual life.

Comment author: dugancm 27 January 2012 12:01:42AM 4 points [-]

Now that would be completely unacceptable indeed. Is, say, being on the business end of the mental health system in the worst way possible something like that? For myself, I don't consider a life with something like that to be worth living.

So, the only reason you're still alive is that you haven't bothered (or been able) to verify whether you've forgotten thoughts you don't remember having had? My sympathies.

Comment author: Multiheaded 27 January 2012 01:20:48AM 4 points [-]

There's probably a pretty big difference, and you're probably just cynically exploiting the fact that I can't formulate it at 5am. And tomorrow I might just forget to address this topic... wait, shi-

Comment author: Armok_GoB 12 February 2012 03:13:16PM *  4 points [-]

Beeep! This is a friendly reminder to continue this train of thought!

Comment author: [deleted] 25 January 2012 08:44:32PM *  3 points [-]

Total, ubiquitous and universally available surveillance, including automated facial expression and body language analysis (every citizen being, given some work, able to check out every hour of someone else's life the way we check Facebook status, plus low-level AI monitoring) is part of a short Weirdtopia story I'm writing. I've decided to set it on a planet in the Warhammer 40k universe BTW.

I hope you finish your weirdtopia story soon, I'd be very interested in reading it :)

Now that would be completely unacceptable indeed. Is, say, being on the business end of the mental health system in the worst way possible something like that? For myself, I don't consider a life with something like that to be worth living.

I agree, freedom of thought is a must for me. But I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have to delete that many memes from my brain to make it acceptable.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 02 May 2012 12:51:42AM 0 points [-]

Did you ever finish the story? I'd be interested in reading it.

Comment author: CronoDAS 26 January 2012 07:02:11AM 0 points [-]

I've decided to set it on a planet in the Warhammer 40k universe BTW.

Unless it ends with everyone dying horribly or something similar happening, it's not Warhammer 40k. ;)