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Comment author: erratio 26 January 2012 02:53:59PM * 10 points [-]

I've tried that exact argument in the past with non-LW-inclined friends. From what I remember the main reactions were either (paraphrased) "I'm too squicked out to engage with your argument" or "you're probably right but it's still gross".

EDIT: there was context involved. Damned if I remember what it was but even with my closest friends I wouldn't defend zoophilia just for fun.

Comment author: APMason 26 January 2012 05:32:18PM 12 points [-]

I tried it once on a different forum. I was immediately called a troll and run out of town.

...Which is sort of fair enough.

Comment author: DanielLC 27 January 2012 03:56:34AM 3 points [-]

I've seen someone mention that they're a zoophile on a utilitarianism forum. The reaction was limited to one person asking if there's a difference between zoophilia and bestiality.

Comment author: APMason 27 January 2012 03:59:03AM 5 points [-]

Well, of course, I still reserve the right to be creeped out.

Comment author: pedanterrific 02 February 2012 06:15:22AM 4 points [-]

Now I'm interested. Is there?

Comment author: Aurini 15 March 2012 06:01:05AM 12 points [-]

I know way too much about this stuff.

Bestiality is simply having sex with animals. Zoophilia is having romantic, sexual relationships with animals.

I fail to see a problem with either.

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Comment author: Aurini 17 March 2012 11:53:35PM 5 points [-]

Personal insults because we have a disagreement, rather than a rational response to what I said?

You are a credit to this community. If only we could get more people to achieve your waterline of sanity.

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Comment author: CharlieSheen 30 March 2012 09:34:12AM 9 points [-]

Read like a needless personal insult to me.

Comment author: [deleted] 30 March 2012 10:06:15AM * 2 points [-]

I read it as such as well.

Comment author: Blueberry 30 March 2012 10:52:58AM -2 points [-]

Well, he was advocating domestic violence earlier. So it was appropriate.

Comment author: CharlieSheen 30 March 2012 11:27:32AM 1 point [-]

I didn't read him as advocating it and I am very familiar (unfortunately) with the debate you spoke of.

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Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2012 02:55:41PM 2 points [-]

This was hilarious and should not have been downvoted...

It is certainly a comment I continue to endorse, upon reflection. I give the benefit of the doubt to the downvoters and assume that they voted out of ignorance of the context - especially given that the most important context includes multiple endorsement of an external source (appropriately entitled The Necessity of Domestic Violence). If I assumed that they were familiar with the context I would then have to conclude that they are executing poor judgement and taking a highly offensive political stance.

In most social situations I am in if someone on one hand endorsed domestic violence and then a few statements later endorses bestiality I would expect an (R)SPCA joke almost instantly - the exceptions being those circumstances where far stronger social sanctions have already been put in motion against the unacceptable political expression.

Comment author: Blueberry 30 March 2012 03:28:27PM 1 point [-]

What's funny is that I liked your comment even before I knew about the domestic violence thing. It read more as silly and sarcastic than insulting.

Comment author: TimS 30 March 2012 03:26:37PM 1 point [-]

In most social situations I am in if someone on one hand endorsed domestic violence and then a few statements later endorses bestiality I would expect an (R)SPCA joke almost instantly.

Expect - probably.

But your joke appears to be (slightly) punishing Aurini for making a meaningful contribution. He probably deserves the joke, but I think people could plausibly think that discouraging meaningful contribution is bad for the social norms of this community. That can be true even if the particular commenter is not deserving of the grace that this sort of policy ends up providing.

Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2012 03:58:17PM 2 points [-]

But your joke appears to be (slightly) punishing Aurini for making a meaningful contribution.

I would punish Aurini for the contribution he made recently, if I had the power to do so and if there was no such thing as 'negative externalities'. Or, rather, I would take take actions to prevent more such contributions and those actions could be considered equivalent to 'punishment' even though the intent is far more crudely practical. (This is all based on the premise that the 'meaning' of the 'contributions' is the most misguided and toxic influence on the site that I recall seeing. I accept that you do not share that premise.)

But really, I think I'd have made an SPCA reference even if I were Aurini himself.

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Comment author: Blueberry 30 March 2012 11:44:38PM 0 points [-]

That particular source is actually not as bad as the name would suggest, since it refers to the guy fighting back and standing up for himself when he's already in an abusive relationship and financially unable to leave. He doesn't recommend it to people in general.

Comment author: DanielLC 02 February 2012 05:23:31PM 1 point [-]

No. At least, not that he knows of.

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