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grouchymusicologist comments on [LINK] "The nirvana would be if the questions raised by Oprah Winfrey would be answered by the faculty at Harvard." - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: grouchymusicologist 31 January 2012 08:37:24PM 9 points [-]

Ok, it's undoubtedly true that de Botton and I share a good many values. But I do insist that his current project strikes me as incredibly misguided if not outright stupid. I would expect him to be quite resistant to an SIAI-like program of answers to the kinds of "philosophical" questions he's asking. He seems to believe that religious leaders, despite basing their teachings on their totally groundless factual claims about reality, are important moral teachers who must be taken with utmost seriousness. And he believes that (for example) Richard Dawkins, in advocating for factual positions that de Botton believes are correct, is being destructive. It's simply no better than a theory of non-overlapping magisteria.

Also, as I said before, I think he's wrong that research into the questions he's interested in is not being done. For a man who abandoned academia (he began a PhD in French philosophy, a field of interest which is very unlikely to be a good sign) in favor of being a popular writer, he doesn't seem very interested in seeking out that research and popularizing it. Instead he says things like (from the original link): "The arrogance that says analysing the relationship between reasons and causes is more important than writing a philosophy of shyness or sadness or friendship drives me nuts. I can't accept that." I'm not sure exactly what analysis of "the relationship between reasons and causes" he's referring to, but he clearly states that all research into metaphysics is pointless, while "philosophy of" various aspects of everyday life is of vital importance.

I see no sign that he'd find LW-style thinking congenial or constructive, or that he in fact values knowledge as such. I think he values lofty rhetoric and vague-but-profound-sounding statements about ordinary life. I deny that he plays for my team.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 January 2012 09:43:31PM *  2 points [-]

The spat came as De Botton revealed details of a temple to evoke more than 300m years of life on earth. Each centimetre of the tapering tower's interior has been designed to represent a million years and a narrow band of gold will illustrate the relatively tiny amount of time humans have walked the planet. The exterior would be inscribed with a binary code denoting the human genome sequence.

I don't think this sounds "incredibly misguided." It just sounds like a neat building where a woefully tiny minority of people with certain traits -- high intelligence, social conscientiousness, maybe a credulous streak or an awe addiction, probably religious parents and community -- might have a deconversion experience. If he thinks droves of people are going to spontaneously switch brand loyalties, then yes, he's misguided. But the building is still neat.

Also, I bet the woefully tiny minority mentioned above overlap quite a bit with doubt-fraught religious folks whose brand loyalty is bolstered by Dawkins' occasionally shitty attitude. Again, a niche market at best.

As for your second paragraph, yeah, you're probably right. My interest in de Botton derives from my stubborn belief that stuff like the Sequences can survive compression into one-sentence maxims. He occasionally nails this on his Twitter feed. He could be better at it, sure, but I think getting this type of compression algorithm right is what gets ideas into people's heads.

I deny that he plays for my team.

I don't know what it takes to get picked for your team, so I don't know if you have enough information to support that denial. But I do hope you're wrong.