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82 Post author: Grognor 02 February 2012 05:13AM

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 02 February 2012 06:17:35AM 3 points [-]

I'm not sure if these are good ideas, but I think implementing them would decrease the volume of thoughts we cannot think and things we can't say.

Could you explain how you think that would work?

Comment author: Grognor 02 February 2012 06:23:02AM 4 points [-]

The first follows from the second. (In that light, it's obvious now that I put them in the wrong order.) If the pressure (real or imagined) to not say "obvious" things is lifted, that allows people to say things they otherwise could not. As a consequence, people who never would have thought of the supposed "obvious" thoughts are now figuratively allowed to think them by virtue of having seen them in the first place.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 February 2012 03:35:54AM -1 points [-]

That is not what Eliezer and Graham mean by "cannot think" and "can't say" in the essays you linked.

Comment author: TimS 03 February 2012 03:45:35AM 0 points [-]

Sometimes, people hesitate to state the obvious because they falsely think the social norms or social consensus would disapprove. Cf. "The Emperor has no clothes."

I once worked at a job where the decision-makers were notably conservative but the line workers were not. The line workers had a tendency to spin reports conservatively, even in situations when I think the decision-makers would not have naturally been as conservative.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 February 2012 03:53:42AM 0 points [-]

However, merely lifting a norm against saying obvious things is not going to solve that problem.