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Comment author: RobertLumley 05 February 2012 02:13:26PM *  0 points [-]

Books Thread

Comment author: RobertLumley 05 February 2012 02:14:05PM 0 points [-]

Non-Fiction

Comment author: RobertLumley 08 February 2012 11:37:48PM 4 points [-]

For anyone who hasn't read it, I just started Adventures of a Curious Character, by Richard Feynman. It's pretty fantastic - not much about rationality - but it's quite funny. He tells one story of how he made his fraternity brothers at MIT look really dumb. One of them asked if French curves were made in any special way. Feynman told them that French curves are specially made so that the tangent at the lowest point is always horizontal to the ground. Of course, this is obvious for any point that the tangent (derivitive) at the lowest point (minimum) is zero. But the guys didn't realize that this was definitional and raved as though Feynman had made a brilliant explanation of French curves.

Comment author: asr 09 February 2012 03:24:14AM 2 points [-]

We teach a lot more calculus in high school in America today than they did when Feynman was a student (my impression is that this changed in the 50s and 60s in response to Sputnik). As a result, the humor of Feynman's response might not have registered with MIT freshmen in the 1930s the way it would with MIT students (or even high school seniors) today.

Comment author: RobertLumley 09 February 2012 03:37:43AM 3 points [-]

He clarified in that section that he knew that the people he was speaking to were familiar with and had taken calculus.

Comment author: [deleted] 09 February 2012 03:45:16AM 1 point [-]

(my impression is that this changed in the 50s and 60s in response to Sputnik)

While true, it might give the false impression that the amount of calculus taught in secondary in the States has stayed more or less constant since then. There's been a giant disaster of other economic incentives and disincentives that has driven what one might call "calcification", among them the widening gulf between public and private schools, the development of advanced placement classes, updating the GI bill, and so on.

Sorry. I'll get off my bete noire now.

Comment author: GuySrinivasan 05 February 2012 07:39:24PM *  3 points [-]

I read Principles of Product Development Flow recently and was very impressed. It gave me a mostly new, significantly orthogonal perspective with which to view the processes resulting in shipped code. The book, summarized, is:

  • Let's apply queuing theory to software development!
  • If you learn nothing else, remember to reduce/control/watch/cost your queue sizes before other things you think are bottlenecks
  • Translate benefits and costs approximately into dollars. Especially the delay costs of a product sitting in a queue. You will likely be surprised.
  • Also here are dozens of more fine-grained considerations and interventions like how to push costly variance to someplace less costly, keeping superstar developers at lower load so they can firefight at whim, and the fact that variance isn't always bad like it is on a factory floor.
Comment author: Emile 05 February 2012 09:06:07PM 1 point [-]

I'm currently about half way through Pinker's "The Better Angels of our Nature", and I'm enjoying it very much, though I'm taking the exact numbers with a grain of salt after seeing some criticism of his scholarship that looks solid enough to me.

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 February 2012 07:32:21PM *  0 points [-]

I fill my phone with books. (So yeah, I'm paying £20/mo for an MP3 player and book reader that occasionally annoys me with phone calls.) Mostly nonfiction.

I've just finished Actually (the last collection of essays and reviews) by Christopher Hitchens. A doorstop, a lot of which is still available on the original magazines' sites. Patchy - quite a lot was clearly dashed off in half an hour after a boozy night out, and he was brilliant but skated by on brilliance rather too often - but ultimately worth ploughing through. I would recommend the curious start on better Hitchens (god is not Great, Hitch-22, Letters To A Young Contrarian in that order) where he wasn't phoning it in.

The nice thing about books of reviews is pointers. So right now I'm on Black Lamb and Grey Falcon by Rebecca West, the 2007 Penguin edition with a lengthy intro by Hitchens. The book is a doorstop-sized travelogue of Yugoslavia in the 1930s, a subject I have little interest in; I'm bothering only because a literature fan like Hitchens raved about it. And so far it's page-turningly good.

I've also just finished the audiobook version of god is not Great, read by the author. A book so clearly written to be read out loud. If you liked the book, I most strongly recommend the audiobook. Even if you dislike audiobooks, as I do.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 February 2012 08:35:40PM *  1 point [-]

I don't know you, but for some reason I have a strong sense that you would like this book.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 February 2012 04:11:47PM 0 points [-]

I've been recommending it. I think it would appeal to most LessWrongians.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 February 2012 06:05:15AM 0 points [-]

Have you read anything else in the same vein that you'd also recommend?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 February 2012 12:25:50PM 0 points [-]

Not that I can think of-- that's why that book was so much fun.

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 February 2012 08:39:10PM *  -1 points [-]

Ha! Never heard of it, but yes, I suspect I would :-)

Comment author: [deleted] 05 February 2012 08:52:13PM *  0 points [-]

If you do end up reading it and you'd like to share your impressions, feel free to PM me.

Comment author: RobertLumley 05 February 2012 02:13:53PM *  0 points [-]

Fiction

Comment author: DanPeverley 05 February 2012 07:27:26PM 4 points [-]

(I am assuming that comics can go here as well) Neil Gaiman's "The Sandman" is incredibly well written, and also has characters with a positive spin on immortality. Beautiful art, great story, it's a gem. "The Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer" is a manga with a standard plot (group of mostly teens with magical powers must save the world) which subverts your expectations in a big way. If you like manga, anime, or just fantasy adventure stories, you will absolutely love this.

Comment author: Anubhav 07 February 2012 11:23:03AM *  0 points [-]

"The Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer" is a manga with a standard plot (group of mostly teens with magical powers must save the world) which subverts your expectations in a big way.

The Japanese stuff goes in the otaku saakuru.

(Although to be fair, it said "Anime thread" when your comment was posted.)

Comment author: David_Gerard 05 February 2012 09:00:53PM *  2 points [-]

Homestuck. Four and a half thousand pages of it. I'm wondering if Andrew Hussie has somehow worked out how to make a manic phase last six years. I need to go back and reread it, when I have way too much time on my hands.

And the Brainbent AU, which is just heartwarming.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 February 2012 12:41:04PM 3 points [-]

This, this, a thousand times this. Homestuck gave me so much insight into human relationships merely by quadrupling my romantic vocabulary.

Comment author: David_Gerard 06 February 2012 04:48:24PM *  1 point [-]

I've actually been wondering about the value of fictional evidence. Particularly reading a pile of Hitchens book reviews, wherein he strongly advocates good fiction for its power to explore and teach you how humans work. Off the top of my head I can think of more accurate methods, but stories are natural to humans so may well be a much more powerful vector than popularisations of psychological research. I'm not entirely convinced by the Hitchens line but was surprised to see him pushing it so vehemently.

Edit: Wei Dai addressed this point a couple of years ago, with Fictional Evidence vs Fictional Insight.

Comment author: DanPeverley 09 February 2012 06:05:09AM 2 points [-]

It's like Andrew Hussie has a list of the things I like, and decided to make to make something perfect with all of them included. The fandom is a bit crazy for me, but I think Homestuck is freakishly well written considering the pace that the pages come out. His characters are incredible, the little details of his descriptions are gems, and the art is nice to look at too. I know people who refuse to read it because they've only been exposed to it via over-zealous fans of the slash-yaoi shipping variety (not all yaoi shippers are crazy, but a lot of crazy fans are yaoi shippers), but it's really a clever and moving piece of unique artwork. For anyone interested in it, I would actually suggest reading Problem Sleuth first though. Ignore the earlier works until you have an appreciation for Hussie.

Comment author: taelor 07 February 2012 09:12:09PM 2 points [-]

So, after some of the more recent updates, I was trying to figure out where Dirk's Auto-Responder falls on the Friendly/Unfriendly AI spectrum, but then it occured to me that he's more of a non-destructive mental upload that an artificial intelligence.

Comment author: David_Gerard 08 February 2012 03:20:43PM -1 points [-]

At least as friendly as any given human.

Comment author: djcb 05 February 2012 06:26:07PM *  1 point [-]

I'm reading some of the Nebula/Hugo award-winning SF novels of (mostly) the last few years; so in the last couple of months I read (lightly plot-spoiling, but not too bad):

  • Bacigalupi's The Windup Girl - a 'biopunk' novel, set in 23rd century Bangkok, in a world where a couple of mega-corps (mega-Monsanto's) have screwed the whole eco-system, and made the world dependent on their bio-engineered calories (where are very hard to come by). The story is interesting, switches between the perspectives of different sides, including the one of a come-alive Japanese love doll. While I liked that, the whole tech/bio background did seem very improbable. Still, liked the book
  • Scalzi's Old Man's War series. There are 4 books -- it starts with a bunch of old people that undergo some rejuvenation treatment, and end up in a whole lot of wars with alien races all over the reachable universe. The rest of the books discuss various aspects of the wars, the people involved, colonization, etc. Overall, I Iiked the stories, but I did not like the melodrama Scalzi put in at various places. And there were too many story lines (secondary, but still) that never got resolved. (e.g., the werewolfs). Tech-wise, of course everything is pretty advanced -- but then his weird limitations, very convenient for the plot...
  • Haldeman's Forever War (1974) is somewhat of a granddaddy to Old Man's War, following some guy's interstellar military career; it's inspired by the writer's Vietnam experiences. Overall, enjoyable (dated fairly well, although some of the 'future tech' is pretty common today...).
  • Just started with Connie Willis' Blackout); about a bunch of future historians time-traveling to various episodes in World War II. So far, the hints to the concepts behind time-travel seem a bit...questionable, but let's see what's still to come...
Comment author: Prismattic 06 February 2012 04:22:31AM *  0 points [-]

NB on The Windup Girl -- it's an excellent book, but if graphic depictions of sexual abuse aren't your cup of tea, you may want to pass on it.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 06 February 2012 04:03:18PM 0 points [-]

I read a story set in that world, and it makes me crazy that they're using muscle power rather than burning the food.

Comment author: clemux 01 March 2012 04:08:28PM 0 points [-]

It bothered me at first, but I think it's about greenhouse gas emission. For example, methane is another power source, with legal restrictions depending on the "cleanliness" of the gas when burnt. I don't remember whether biofuels are still used at the time of the story.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 March 2012 05:54:24PM 0 points [-]

That still doesn't make sense-- if the food stocks were created without mining carbon from oil or coal, then they're carbon-neutral.

Comment author: [deleted] 06 February 2012 12:42:56PM *  1 point [-]

It's old school, but Haruki Murakami's work is pretty much the best fiction I've read since American Gods. The Wind-up Bird Chronicle has a pretty good translation, and once you've read that the callbacks in Haibane Renmei start making more sense. Also 1Q84 (Q = kyuu = 9) is out, but I haven't read it yet.

Comment author: jswan 06 February 2012 04:13:38AM 1 point [-]

Rebecca Newberger Goldstein's "36 Arguments for the Existence of God". Easily one of my top-10 favorite books ever. Beautifully written and hilarious (a particularly difficult combo for an author to pull of, IMO), a non-linear, recursive loop through the lives of several atheist characters who are inextricably tied to religion in one way or another. The author has quite an interesting life history: philosopher, biographer of Gödel and Spinoza, famous novelist, currently married to Stephen Pinker, among other things.

Comment author: bogus 05 February 2012 04:41:56PM *  1 point [-]

David D. Friedman has written a bunch of blog posts promoting his novels Harald and Salamander. Both of these significantly draw on economic concepts, although in very different ways. Harald is a historical novel, albeit one which is set in a fictional universe. Salamander (available in a Kindle version) is especially interesting in that it realistically portrays both a form of magic and characters conducting empirical research to extend their magical abilities.

Comment author: RobertLumley 05 February 2012 02:19:10PM 0 points [-]

I'm hesitant to recommend this, since I'm sure everyone has heard it/likely started reading it when they were young adults, like I did, but I thought Inheritance (The final book in the series that spawned from Eragon, if you didn't know) was a pretty good ending to the series. Pretty light reading, and not too insightful, but very good, if you like fantasy type books (as is the entire series, of course).

At the end, (Not really a spoiler, don't worry) there was a brief discussion about immortality, which was the only time an LW trope was really touched on. I was really hoping he would come out and take a strong pro-immortality stance, but he didn't really. It was something to the effect of "I wouldn't want to keep living after 2-3 thousand years".

Comment author: Prismattic 06 February 2012 04:20:19AM 2 points [-]

I'm curious...

I read the first of these books shortly after it came it out, not realizing when I picked it up that the author was only fifteen, and... it was appallingly badly written. Every character had the same, extremely stilted voice. I never considered finishing the series. (I've also never been more shocked to see a book get picked up by Hollywood.)

Do you feel the books got better over time, such that I should reconsider that decision, or did you actually think Eragon was good, in which case I'll just leave it at de gustibus non est disputandum?

Comment author: RobertLumley 06 February 2012 12:51:20PM 0 points [-]

Don't really know what to suggest. I was never bothered by that, but I was younger when I read the first ones, and I'm always very good at suspending disbelief and ignoring things like that for fictional works. If you didn't like the first three, I wouldn't suggest trying to read the third.