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Comment author: fiddlemath 07 February 2012 05:59:12AM 3 points [-]

Oh, I agree entirely: if you are soundly convinced that you have been wrong, then you have become less wrong. You win!

It's easy to say that, and relatively easy to see why it's true. It's much harder to convince all of the parts of myself that, when I see that I'm wrong, admitting it, and changing my mind, is a good thing. There is some part in-built part of me that views it as losing -- as accepting a defeat in front of an opponent.

To be a little florid: this is a relatively weak agent in me, and I usually succeed in ignoring him. But I still hear him. I'd rather he shut up. He offers, essentially, a general counterargument against me changing my mind, and is thus an impediment to updating on new evidence.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 07 February 2012 06:27:18AM 0 points [-]

It's not just that you win by becoming less wrong.

My point was that at least with some people, you gain in status when you admit you were wrong.

Comment author: Desrtopa 07 February 2012 08:25:12PM 1 point [-]

This is true, and it can be an important thing to learn, but unfortunately most of us operate on heuristics, learned or innate, that urge us not to do this.