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Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 19 March 2012 02:44:18PM 2 points [-]

Show me numbers.

OK, how about the number "1"? It's estimated that a shell of very-low-density "statites", surrounding the sun at the distance of Earth's orbit, would require as much mass as can be found in one large asteroid. Increase the mass per statite by two orders of magnitude, and you can still build a swarm with cross-section larger than the Earth.

We can quibble about materials and about long-term stability. It might be that, without constant care, intricate megastructures on an interplanetary scale will collapse or disperse after a few thousand or million years. But to say they are physically impossible is somewhat obtuse. Consider the natural asteroid belt. It is already a type of "structure" - a toroidal region of space populated with a million distinct objects, with total mass something like 5% of Earth's moon. So tell me why a colony of mining robots, digging into the moon and shooting ore off to space factories, couldn't produce a comparable archipelago of artificial space objects?

The specifics of various proposals may be infeasible - e.g. the idea of a solid, rigid Dyson sphere - but I don't see the basic idea of massive engineering in space being shown to be comprehensively impossible.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 March 2012 06:32:20PM 0 points [-]

Okay. Lack of imagination on my part: I was primed to imagine a Dyson Sphere built around the solar system, not a small, pre-mercurial, partial structure. After all, inconcievable doesn't mean impossible.

Nevertheless, I want to portray a humanity that's focused on conservation and optimization and recycling and re-using. At least as an intermediate step before attempting to tame the Solar System. Even when they move out, I want them to be sustainable in terms of resources in the scale of billions of years. Meaning that the regime that we're keeping right now (humans have moved and processed so much rock, we're a geological era all by ourselves) wouldn't be the one we'd be using in The Future.