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Comment author: Thomas 15 March 2012 07:54:07AM *  0 points [-]

Not that I mind much (since I collect the both sides of karma, the positive and the negative and they are almost equally valuable to me) - I still wonder why -8 for the above post at this moment?

Do you believe, that the Mule's powers are inherently magical, and not obtainable by some advanced tech? You think it's too far fetched?

Then again, never mind!

Comment author: TimS 16 March 2012 04:39:10PM *  1 point [-]

The original question could be paraphrased as "What could someone who knew all the state of the art of 2012 do in the era of ancient Rome?"

The answer to that question is not something that no one in 2012 is able to do. Also, as wedrifid said, it isn't that interesting to notice that someone who can modify the utility functions of others at relatively low cost is able to defeat a major empire.

Comment author: Thomas 16 March 2012 04:44:53PM 0 points [-]

Since when you reckon, it is forbidden to go a little out of the initial post settings?

If not forbidden, then a cause for a downvote?

Comment author: TimS 16 March 2012 05:03:09PM 0 points [-]

It's changing the topic of conversation without saying so. Many people take that to be quite rude.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2012 10:21:54AM 0 points [-]

Do you believe, that the Mule's powers are inherently magical, and not obtainable by some advanced tech? You think it's too far fetched?

Mule's powers are inherently magical, for all intents and purposes. It is just one more variant of the telepathic abilities that abound in Asimov's universe. Fortunately as far as I know Asmiov never pretended that they were scientifically based - no midichlorians in that world!

Comment author: Thomas 15 March 2012 10:40:48AM *  -2 points [-]

Mule's powers are inherently magical, for all intents and purposes.

Not necessarily so. I would not be surprised if some "trans-cranial magnetic emotions modulation" is possible. Even a complete control of anybody near or not so near.

Nothing mystical at all, just an elaborate EM influencing which aligns your emotions with mines.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2012 10:48:56AM *  0 points [-]

Not necessarily so. I would not be surprised if some "trans-cranial magnetic emotions modulation" is possible. Even a complete control of anybody near or not so near.

If I were reading a book that didn't include multiple other sources of clearly magical mind control then I would be inclined to agree with you. But looking at the universe this particular instance comes from we see multiple other forms of clearly 'magical' (counter to physics as we know it, introduced for the purpose ) forms of mind control. Even FTL instantanious mind control from a distance powered by a planet-wide hivemind.

Nothing mystical at all, just an elaborate EM influencing which aligns your emotions with mine.

This was not just some guy with an advanced technological device that controls people via EM. It's a dude that can control folks with his brain. The advanced tech is closer to being physically possible in the real world but this is a fantasy universe where characters really do evolve and then train telepathy powers. In one of the stories some folks actually did invent technology that could engage in the telepathy magic too. They even had a three way mind control standoff between a coven of Jedi types, a planetary hivemind representative and the guys who used the machine to do it for them.

Comment author: Thomas 15 March 2012 10:53:59AM 0 points [-]

They had also faster than light transportation, scientifically impossible and Asimov knew it.

But when you throw the water away, the baby which remains, is pretty interesting. And I call this baby "some way to control other people emotions".

And the baby is huge.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2012 11:02:52AM 0 points [-]

I have no idea where this throwing away the baby with the bathwater stuff is coming into it. From what I saw it was debating whether the particular bathwater in question was magic or technological. No particular need to throw it away.

Comment author: Thomas 15 March 2012 11:26:42AM -1 points [-]

I have no idea where this throwing away the baby with the bathwater stuff is coming into it.

I said the water. The baby remains.

Comment author: RobertLumley 16 March 2012 03:16:54PM *  -1 points [-]

I hadn't read your comment prior to now. I would downvote it though, if it weren't already so low. This is not mentioned by anyone else, so I don't suspect it's why, but not only are you generalizing from one example, it's a fictional example.

Edit: I'm upvoting your comment now. I don't think it's a great comment, but it doesn't deserve that much. I think it should be at -2.

Comment author: knb 15 March 2012 10:07:42AM 0 points [-]

I'm equally mystified by the downvoting. I upvoted your comment, FWIW.

Comment author: wedrifid 15 March 2012 10:23:43AM 0 points [-]

(Likewise, despite not exactly agreeing with it.)