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29 Post author: John_Maxwell_IV 15 March 2012 12:41AM

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 16 March 2012 12:10:26AM *  3 points [-]

I didn't like your alternative for the "Many of us believe" line either, even though I don't like that line (it was what I came up with to improve on Luke's original text). To give the context: the current About page introduces twelve virtues with:

Many of us believe in the importance of developing qualities described in "Twelve Virtues of Rationality":

John's edit was to change it to:

For a brief summary of how to be rational, read the somewhat stylized "Twelve Virtues of Rationality":

P.S. I no longer supervise the edits to the wiki, but someone should...

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 16 March 2012 12:56:30AM *  0 points [-]

He didn't like my other three attempts at changes either... I could come up with 10 different ways of writing that sentence, but I'd rather let him make some suggestions.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 March 2012 02:51:29AM 3 points [-]

He didn't like my other three attempts at changes either... I could come up with 10 different ways of writing that sentence, but I'd rather let him make some suggestions.

If you made the suggestions here and received public support for one of them it wouldn't matter much what Grognor thought.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 16 March 2012 03:01:41AM 0 points [-]

Why don't you make a suggestion?

Comment author: wedrifid 16 March 2012 03:04:48AM *  3 points [-]

*cough* Mine is 'delete the sentence entirely'. I never really liked that virtues page anyway!

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 16 March 2012 03:06:17AM 2 points [-]

Sounds like a great idea.

Comment author: lessdazed 20 March 2012 07:50:08PM 1 point [-]

I entirely agree with this.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 17 March 2012 05:52:39AM 1 point [-]

To be clear, you are in favor of leaving the virtues off of the about page, correct?

Comment author: wedrifid 17 March 2012 06:01:03AM 1 point [-]

For what it is worth, yes.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 17 March 2012 05:34:25PM 0 points [-]

Okay, thanks. One of the other wiki editors didn't think you meant that.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 17 March 2012 11:47:01PM *  1 point [-]

Whatever wedrifid actually meant is not "apparent consensus", given that there's just 2 upvotes on the statement where it wasn't apparent to the voters what he actually meant... Reverted with suggestion to escalate to a discussion post and voting more clearly. Also, this started from talking about bad wording, which is a separate question from leaving the section out altogether, so the hypothetical discussion posting should distinguish those questions.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 18 March 2012 12:19:17AM *  -1 points [-]

Okay.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 March 2012 02:49:33AM -1 points [-]

That change is less bad than the original but it is sometimes better to hold off on changes that may reduce the impetus for further improvement without quite satisfying the need.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 16 March 2012 03:00:57AM 0 points [-]

To be honest, I don't have much energy left to fight this. I'd like to rethink the entire page, but if I have to fight tooth and nail for every sentence I won't.