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DanArmak comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 11 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: DanArmak 17 March 2012 07:47:53PM 17 points [-]

Suggestion: Harry (/Dumbledore) run some more almost-successful assassination attempts against Draco, while Hermione is in custody. That should suggest to Lucius and the Wizengamot that Hermione was being controlled. Bonus points for appearing to rescue Draco from said attempts. Bonus points for plausible attempts against Lucius himself. Extra bonus points for suggesting to Lucius a better explanation for the continuing attempts than the true one.

Comment author: Nominull 17 March 2012 11:33:54PM 10 points [-]

Among other things, this runs into the same issue as pretending to defeat Voldemort - there's an actual criminal out there who actually tried to kill Draco, or frame Hermione, or something more obscure than either, and any playacting would be extremely premature until they know what's actually going on.

Comment author: Locke 17 March 2012 08:04:54PM *  6 points [-]

That... sounds like Harry's style. So he'd need to be in the trial when it happens. Then someone storms into the chambers and tells Lucius there's been another attack, and Harry smirks inwardly.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 17 March 2012 10:15:32PM *  12 points [-]

Time Turner.

EDIT: On the other hand, if people know you have a time turner, then you have to work extra hard to establish an alibi.

EDIT Again: But then, with Polyjuice Potion, how could anyone ever have an alibi? Ehhh, maybe it's time for more suspension of belief.

Comment author: Sheaman3773 24 June 2012 11:45:58PM 1 point [-]

It's expensive, difficult to make, and Magical Britain's investigative process is pathetic. Given that a Veritaserum-given accusation and confession are considered conclusive even with known counters and a number of mind-altering spells widely taught, they most likely consider polyjuice too unlikely to bother worrying about in the vast majority of cases.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 25 June 2012 12:30:17AM 0 points [-]

It's expensive, difficult to make, ..

Polyjuice potion? I know they say it's hard to make, but 3 second years managed it in canon. Did EY make a point of making it particularly harder to make than in canon?

Comment author: pengvado 26 June 2012 01:06:50AM 0 points [-]

Maybe not harder, but more dangerous. 2 second years managed in canon, and the 3rd messed up and got turned into a catgirl. HPMOR chapter 78 has a reference to that, except this time the catgirl transformation is permanent.

Comment author: Jello_Raptor 17 March 2012 08:48:05PM *  2 points [-]

... Can we get the weasly brothers to do it?

Also if Harry is taken off campus for the trail wouldn't that be at odds with Dumbledore's intention to keep him safe?

Comment author: DanArmak 17 March 2012 08:56:22PM 7 points [-]

In Dumbledore's personal presence he's safe enough. Especially since Dumbledore now thinks that Voldermort is in Hogwarts.

Comment author: glumph 17 March 2012 10:51:01PM 2 points [-]

But where will Draco be on the day of the trial? If he won't still be in St. Mungo's then he might be at Malfoy Manor, which, I assume, is rather secure. (It would be a problem for Harry if not for Dumbledore.)

Comment author: DanArmak 17 March 2012 11:13:34PM 6 points [-]

Well, what is Harry for if not thinking up solutions to "impossible" problems? Is this any harder than escaping Azkaban? People have already come up with ways to attack Malfoy Manor (transform antimatter), now we just have to attack and fail - how much harder could that be? :-)