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Somewhere in the last thread's 1000 posts, it occured to me that it might be useful to have a list of non-obvious insights aggregated. This is stuff that may be missed if the reader has read only HPMoR but is unfamiliar with canon, or it may be things that are well hidden in plain sight. I know it's not normal practice to rot13 such things, but the sheer density of them makes it seem prudent.
Dhveery vf Ibyqrzbeg.
Yhpvhf guvaxf Uneel vf Ibyqrzbeg.
Dhveery znqr gur Iblntre 2 cebor n Ubepehk.
Uneel nppvqragnyyl thrffrq gur ybpngvbaf bs Dhveery'f Ubepehkrf.
Dhveery xvyyrq Evgn Fxrrgre.
Qhzoyrqber urycrq Yvyl znxr Crghavn'f ornhgl cbgvba.
Dhveery unf gur Erfheerpgvba Fgbar Qrnguyl Unyybj.
I know there's a bunch I'm missing so feel free to add. Ideally, they should not be controversial, just easily missed.
Not Iblntre 2, but Cvbarre 11.
Most of those seem to me like they might turn out to be false, but I agree with all of them, more or less.
Jung vf gur rivqrapr gung Dhveery unf gur Erfheerpgvba Fgbar?
I think "accidentally" needs to be added to the fourth and fifth ones. When I went back and read them I remembered them happening, but I thought you meant they were done intentionally and consciously.
Oh, the 4th one is accidental but the 5th is not.
Quirrel's exact words to her were "Yet I find that I cannot deny myself the pleasure of simply crushing you."
Ah. Well caught. I think I read this too fast... Both times I read it.
Could we get a very brief summary of the arguments for these too? I've just now started reading the discussion threads, but there's a significant barrier to entry if you don't understand why people think these things.
Most of it relies on canon knowledge and how HPMoR mirrors canon.
1) Dhveery vf Ibyqrzbeg va pnaba.
2) Rnpu bs gurve vagrenpgvbaf punatr qenfgvpnyyl va erernqvat. Rfcrpvnyyl Yhpvhf' "V xabj lbh qvq vg" abgr gb Uneel naq Pu 80'f vagrenpgvba orgjrra gur gjb.
3) Dhveery farnxf va gb frr gur Iblntre 2 cebor gb znxr vg ynfg 'fvtavsvpnagyl ybatre'; Dhveery pubbfrf n Uberpehk gung jvyy yrnir gur fbyne flfgrz.
4) Uneel pubbfrf 5 uvqvat fcbgf; va pnaba Ibyqrzbeg unf 5 (cyhf gur qvnel) Ubepehkrf uvqqra.
5) Evgn fxrrgre vf n orrgyr navznthf va pnaba; Dhveery fznfurf ure.
6) Gur cbgvba Qhzoyrqber urycf Yvyl vf pnyyrq Rntyr'f Fcyraqbe; Rntyr'f Fcyraqbe vf n Q&Q ornhgl cbgvba. Uvf zbqvsvpngvbaf pnhfr gur fnzr fvqr rssrpgf gung Crghavn rkuvovgrq.
7) Ibyqrzbeg unf gur Erfheerpgvba Fgbar va pnaba ohg qbrfa'g erpbtavmr vg; Uneel gryyf Dhveery vg'f vqragvslvat genvgf.
I didn't know Ibyqrzbeg unf gur Erfheerpgvba Fgbar va pnaba ohg qbrfa'g erpbtavmr vg. (The last one) Thanks.
Would the chapters containing the primary evidence for these (20, 38, 20, 46, 26, 17, 40, respectively) be a good start?
I retract my below comment. I am too curious not to reread these chapters, and in retrospect that comment was somewhat rude and unthankful for finding these for me. So thanks.
You're welcome. For what it's worth, I didn't see your comment as rude (I don't play the kind of games where I ask a yes-or-no question, but you're not allowed to say no).
Unlikely, since I'm unlikely to rearead them - I've already read it start to finish twice and none of these seem obvious to me. Well, a few do.
I'm really just looking for
Dhveery znqr Iblntre 2 n ubepehk - erzrzore gung pbairefngvba jurer gurl gnyxrq nobhg jurer jbhyq lbh chg fbzrguvat vs lbh arire jnagrq fbzrbar gb svaq vg?
Ohg jura V qvfpbirerq gung Cvbarre 11 jbhyq nyfb or yrnivat gur Fbyne Flfgrz sberire," Cebsrffbe Dhveeryy fnvq, uvf teva gur jvqrfg gung Uneel unq lrg frra sebz uvz, "V fahpx vagb ANFN, V qvq, naq V pnfg n ybiryl yvggyr fcryy ba gung ybiryl tbyqra cyndhr juvpu jvyy znxr vg ynfg n ybg ybatre guna vg bgurejvfr jbhyq." Chapter 20.
Oh yeah... That too. :-)
I thought gur Erfheerpgvba Fgbar was in the same state as in canon.
In canon, it's part of Morfin Guant's family signet ring. If you're familiar with canon, you'd know who would currently be in possession of it in this timeline, if they knew what to look for.
And they get told what to look for in HPMoR ch 40.
I didn't actually spot that last one. Where should I be looking?
Quirrell stops short the field trip in chapter 40, saying something's come up that requires he be elsewhere, soon after Harry shows him the symbol (and that's the only real news for Quirrell that's shown). Strongly suggests that Quirrell knows where an object is with that symbol and, now he knows what it is, is going to fetch it.
If the backstory is the same as canon, Riddle in fact did gain possession of the ring that held the stone without immediately knowing it for what it was. Chapter 27 has a reference to a ring that tends to confirm that the backstory is, indeed, same as canon.
It's possible that Quirrell was unsuccessful in obtaining the object, but the most likely scenario is he went and got it without trouble and now has it.
Also Ch. 77:
I'm guessing what Quirrell lied about is that it was months ago, rather than just about one month ago...
I assumed they were referring to the Philosopher's Stone, which (at least in canon) is hidden in the third floor corridor.
Ah, I was confused, thought Resurrection Stone and Philosopher's Stone were the same thing.
No - one extends life and turns lead to gold, the other resurrects the dead.
He has that stone too? And Dumbledore doesn't know it? That would surprise me.
Me neither. I was going with 'Harry has it'.
Possibly Harry will swap it for Dad's Transfigured rock when the bad guy isn't looking?