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drethelin comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 12 - Less Wrong Discussion

5 Post author: Xachariah 25 March 2012 11:01AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 March 2012 05:53:43PM 33 points [-]

General announcement:

I do not lie to my readers.

Almost everything in MoR is generated by the underlying facts of the story. Sometimes it is generated by humor (I can't realistically claim that Ch. 5 would have comic timing that precise in a purely natural universe). Nothing is generated to deliberately fool the readers.

There are two exceptions to this claim I can readily recall - cases where red herrings made it into the text - and they occur in Ch. 21 where my phrasing of Dumbledore's note to Harry was influenced to be overly compatible with the fan theory (which took me quite by surprise) that the notes were sent by Sirius Black. And in Ch. 77 when Mr. Hat and Cloak says "Time -", which was generated to be compatible with the postulate of a Peggy Sue. I may go back and eliminate both of these at some point to make the text herring-free.

Methods of Rationality is a rationalist story. Your job is to outwit the universe, not the author. There are also cases where people have scored additional points by successful literary analysis, e.g. Checkov's Gun principles. But the author is not your enemy here, and the facts aren't lies.

Of course there are various characters running deceptions and masquerades, but that is quite a different matter.

Comment author: drethelin 25 March 2012 06:10:47PM 7 points [-]

Of course this is exactly what you would say if you DID lie to your readers.

Comment author: MartinB 25 March 2012 06:44:46PM 11 points [-]

No, because unlike certain TV shows you the reader will hold him accountable afterwards.

Comment author: drethelin 25 March 2012 08:22:12PM 2 points [-]

What do you mean by "hold him accountable." It's not like I'd stop donating to SIAI if he pulled a dirty trick on HPMOR readers.

Comment author: MartinB 25 March 2012 08:55:03PM 2 points [-]

You lose trust when the next story comes around. So far everything in HPMOR makes sense, I think it is reasonable to assume this will continue.

I watched a few tv shows where a well thought out plot was promised upfront. But later it turned out the creators just made things up as they went along. This usually breaks down at some point. When this happens repeatedly one is less likely to get into it again.