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DanielLC comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 12 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: DanielLC 25 March 2012 11:27:06PM 1 point [-]

Didn't they start checking whenever there's a patronus for more than three hours, to prevent innmates becoming animangi?

I suppose that it's possible that they'd turn a blind eye to Hermione.

Comment author: pedanterrific 25 March 2012 11:30:50PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, but if the caster isn't right there, what are they supposed to do about it?

Comment author: DanielLC 26 March 2012 03:30:53AM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure, but I'm sure they'd have something they can do. There's nothing else keeping someone from slipping a prisoner an animangus potion, leaving, and then casting a patronus there after they leave.

There may be some kind of counterspell, or a way to find the caster.

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 March 2012 03:36:03AM 3 points [-]

There doesn't have to be something they can do. Up until recently, there was nothing stopping someone from slipping a prisoner an animagus potion and just standing right there with a Patronus up. It's entirely possible that no one in the DMLE has even considered trying to find a way to prevent this, since (as far as they know) the only ones capable of it are the Order of the Phoenix.

Comment author: DanielLC 26 March 2012 05:00:07PM 1 point [-]

Up until recently, there was nothing stopping someone from slipping a prisoner an animagus potion and just standing right there with a Patronus up.

Only because they chose not to stop them.

It's entirely possible that no one in the DMLE has even considered trying to find a way to prevent this, since (as far as they know) the only ones capable of it are the Order of the Phoenix.

In that case, they will start trying once it starts happening. How long do you think they'll take?

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 March 2012 05:38:42PM 4 points [-]

Do you understand that "otherwise, there's a way for Azkaban to be less terrible" is not actually a reason to believe there exists a counterspell to the Patronus?

Comment author: DanielLC 27 March 2012 02:22:00AM 1 point [-]

True, but "otherwise, there's a way for Azkaban to be less inescapable" is a reason to believe they'll put a lot of effor into developing some kind of countermeasure.

Comment author: pedanterrific 27 March 2012 04:06:36AM *  2 points [-]

I agree with this. I still do not agree with "I'm sure they'd have something they can do." The Patronus Charm may as a question of simple fact not be blockable or traceable. The world is allowed to work that way.

Comment author: DanielLC 27 March 2012 06:10:37AM 0 points [-]

It's definitely not completely untraceable, but creating a registry of all patronuses would be next to impossible.

It seems unlikely that there's no way around it, but I suppose it's feasible that they'd just have an easier time finding a way around animangi. At the very least, they can do what they did with Grindlewald.