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Raemon comments on What is life? - Less Wrong Discussion

9 Post author: Douglas_Reay 01 April 2012 09:12PM

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Comment author: Raemon 02 April 2012 01:34:26AM *  0 points [-]

I believe chickens are self-aware (albeit pretty dumb). I could be wrong, and don't have a good way to test it. (Though I have read some things suggesting they ARE near the borderline of the what kind of sentience is worth worrying about)

Comment author: [deleted] 07 April 2012 02:58:29PM 0 points [-]

I believe chickens are self-aware (albeit pretty dumb). I could be wrong, and don't have a good way to test it.

A common test for that (which I'm under the impression some people treat more like an ‘operative definition’ of self-awareness) is the mirror test. Great apes, dolphins, elephants and magpies pass it. Dunno about chickens -- I guess not.

Comment author: Raemon 07 April 2012 09:01:18PM 0 points [-]

That would test a level of intelligence, but not the ability to percieve pain/pleasure/related-things, which is what I'm caring about.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 April 2012 01:45:58AM 0 points [-]

Then self-aware is quite a bad word for it. I suspect that fish and newborn babies can feel pain and pleasure, but that they're not ‘self-aware’ the way I'd use that word.

Comment author: pedanterrific 08 April 2012 01:48:34AM *  3 points [-]

Nociception has been demonstrated in insects. Small insects.

Edit: Not to mention C. elegans, which has somewhere around three hundred neurons total.

Comment author: [deleted] 08 April 2012 04:06:53PM 0 points [-]

So the Buddhists were right all along!

(FWIW, I assign a very small but non-zero ethical value to insects.)