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Alejandro1 comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 14, chapter 82 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Alejandro1 04 April 2012 07:47:05AM *  12 points [-]

My belief is and has always been that she did it, and was not given false memories, nor Imperiused or controlled in any way beyond the Groundhog Day attack. Eliezer believes that humans are hackable (cf. AI box experiments) and this Hermione storyline is showcasing it. Hat-and-Cloak had to find the right hack by proof and error, but once he found it, it was just ordinary words and no magic which influenced Hermione to "freely" decide to murder Draco (just like the AI gatekeepers who "freely" let the AI escape).

ETA: by "proof and error" I meant "trial and error". I guess the reason for the mental typo is the Spanish equivalent "prueba y error".

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 04 April 2012 01:26:35PM 0 points [-]

What about the possibility that Draco attacked Hermione with sufficient force that the blood-cooling spell was plausibly self-defense?

Comment author: Random832 04 April 2012 01:42:09PM 6 points [-]

A "blood-cooling charm" doesn't sound like it would have had enough stopping power to be effective in self-defense.

Comment author: DanArmak 04 April 2012 03:49:31PM 3 points [-]

In that case: she knew when she awakened next morning that it should have killed him. If she had known that the night before, then after disabling Draco with the charm, she should alerted a teacher, or maybe woken him up and stunned him the usual way. If she didn't do any of that, she was knowingly leaving him to die.