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TimS comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 14, chapter 82 - Less Wrong Discussion
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Respectfully, discussion and debate are not consider successful if all you do is cause the other person to understand your position. If no one's position changes, something is wrong.
Again, my goal is not to convince you or anyone else.
My goal is to test the speculated scenario. I advocate for it not because I want to convince others, but because it doesn't get much mileage on its own.
As it gets picked apart, I learn more about the the scenario itself, about the material it's built on, and about the speculative process.
Respectfully, it is silly to assume that no one's position is changing.