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TheOtherDave comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 14, chapter 82 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 April 2012 02:27:27PM 6 points [-]

What essentially never happens is Blue escalates, Green escalates, Blue unilaterally deescalates, old status quo returns.

Just to make sure I understand, consider the following hypothetical account: Sam and I are having a nonviolent argument. I get furious and punch Sam. Sam punches me back. I apologize for having turned this into a violent interaction and promise not to do that anymore. Sam agrees not to do it anymore either. We return to our nonviolent argument.

Is that an example of the sort of situation you're describing, which you claim essentially never happens?

If not, can you clarify what excludes it?

Comment author: TimS 06 April 2012 02:45:36PM 4 points [-]

The historical assertion is in the context of group political conflict involving violence.

Apocryphally, the Mafia had a rule that they didn't target families. Assuming this was true even in conflicts between families (and I don't know this to be actually true), I'm saying that the family (Blue) that first broke that norm was not likely to be the family that unilaterally returns to the "don't kill dependents" rule. Particularly if a lot of the unity of the Blue family is based on the strong personality of Blue's leader.

(Mostly, I'm thinking of the Cold-War era internal conflicts between proxies of the United States and the USSR, especially in Latin America and Africa i.e. the Sandinistas. I'm not saying every conflict of that type escalated in the way I'm describing, just that the escalator basically never deescalated while the conflict continued).

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 April 2012 03:00:26PM 0 points [-]

Ah, gotcha. Cool, that makes sense... thanks for clarifying.