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Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 03:04:34AM *  4 points [-]

The first part of the description - date of birth / graduation, Slytherin, disappeared in Albania - was meant to make us think Bones figured out that Quirrell = Riddle. Shock! Then nothing after that tracks, and apparently she's talking about a good guy? Huh?

So, apparently what happened is that Voldemort waylaid one of his (usefully Noble) classmates in Albania early on, then decided to assume his identity part-time twenty five years later, with the goal of rising to power as the hero who vanquished the Dark Lord (who he also was). Bones thinks that Quirrell's Yule speech about a 'Mark of Britain' sounded familiar; so apparently he wasn't able to give up on the tyranny bit. I think we can take Quirrell's explanation to Hermione as roughly similar to fact; he saw that the hero wasn't getting respect, and people were falling all over themselves to grovel before the Dark Lord, and decided to stick with the persona he found more pleasant to assume.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2012 05:15:07AM 4 points [-]

(usefully Noble)

Not to be, er, pedantic, but there does seem to be a difference between Noble and Ancient houses. By Draco's reckoning, the House of Potter is Noble but not Most Ancient.

Comment author: thomblake 11 April 2012 02:26:15PM 0 points [-]

Good catch.

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 05:20:21AM 0 points [-]

Thank you, that's interesting. Come to think of it, all the other references for House Potter I saw just said "Noble House" too, I just thought it was a shortening. So there's only scions of three out of seven Ancient Houses in Harry's year.

Comment author: cultureulterior 11 April 2012 06:31:38AM *  0 points [-]

I'm not sure there is a difference:

"You know that spell?"

"Oh, no, it's the Charm of the Most Ancient Blade, it's only legal for Noble and Most Ancient Houses to use -"

Hermione stopped talking and looked at Harry, or Harry's grey hood rather.

"Well," said Harry's voice, "I guess I could take down the rest of the Sunshine Regiment by myself, then." She couldn't see his face, but his voice sounded like he was smiling.

Comment author: pedanterrific 12 April 2012 03:59:30AM *  1 point [-]

Pretty sure that's "[Noble and Most Ancient] Houses", not "[Noble] and (Most Ancient) Houses".

Comment author: gjm 11 April 2012 08:33:58AM 0 points [-]

So, apparently what happened is [...]

Or Q. messed with Bones's head part-way through her little speech using some kind of wandless mind-magic. But that seems even less likely.

Comment author: Alsadius 12 April 2012 10:25:13PM *  3 points [-]

If Voldemort is capable of that, then this fic will entirely cease to be interesting. Mind control at a glance in the hands of an intelligent character is god-level powers.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 13 April 2012 03:41:53AM *  2 points [-]

Heck, I don't see why imperius in the hands of an intelligent character isn't a god-level power, especially when combined with memory charm and legilimency.

Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 03:17:59AM 0 points [-]

So Riddle - who is indeed a Noble House descendent in canon - waylays and murders another Noble House descendant born in the same year? I see...

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 03:26:27AM *  3 points [-]

No, he's not. Gaunt isn't a Noble and Most Ancient House in canon. Neither is Malfoy, Greengrass, Potter or Longbottom. The only canonical Noble and Most Ancient House is Black.

And anyway, in Harry's current year there's Harry himself, Neville, Daphne and Draco. It's not that strange.