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Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2012 04:25:54AM *  6 points [-]

So, it seems more likely that Quirrel was behind the plot.

The thing about there only being seven houses seems big, though, and as far I can tell isn't from canon. (The list of purebloods, for example, doesn't include Jugson, though 500 years old might not be enough to be Most Ancient. I think we have HPMOR confirmation of Malfoy, Potter, Greengrass, and Longbottom, and I think in canon the only ones that get that description are Malfoy, Black, and maybe Potter (really, Peverell).

The 1926 hint narrows it down to four canon characters (though, of course, Bones might be mistaken). Interestingly enough, all of them were sorted into Slytherin- Tom Riddle, Rosier, Avery, and Lestrange. All of them were Death Eaters, and so it seems most likely it's Tom Riddle. (He would be the last of the female line of the Gaunt family, descended from Salazar Slytherin, which seems like it qualifies for Most Ancient. But I suspect the female line doesn't count for things like the Wizengamot, in canon at least.)

(Interestingly, in canon, Morfin Gaunt was memory-charmed to believe that he was the murderer of Voldemort's parents. Riddle did that to cover up a number of his murders. Even more pieces falling into place.)

Tom Riddle as hero seems... really bizarre, though. Who was Voldemort instead? (It seems implausible that Voldemort could have been an alterego; I suspect quite a bit of his pureblood support came from his lineage.)

Comment author: drethelin 11 April 2012 04:28:29AM 3 points [-]

Remember that Quirrel is NOT Riddle. He's Riddle in the body of someone else. It's pretty damn voldemorty to come back in the body of one of your enemies, too.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 11 April 2012 06:00:18AM *  1 point [-]

I've been peddling the scheme of uploading into Harry when Harry supposedly defeats him.

It makes sense too that he has more power through Dark Rituals. He uses up the host body through the costs born by the host, and then moves on to another.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2012 06:15:42AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2012 05:04:48AM 1 point [-]

The only canon character that matches Bones's description is Riddle (though he only does so partially, having murdered his family before his graduation in canon). So either EY stuck in a Mary Sue who just happens to have Tom Riddle's biographical details, or Bones wants Tom Riddle to take up the Gaunt seat in the Wizengamot.

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 05:07:54AM 3 points [-]

Or maybe there's a third option you haven't thought of. How confident are you?

Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2012 05:13:34AM 3 points [-]

I thought of three other options, and dismissed all of them. Riddle gets over 98% of the 'canon character born in 1926' probability mass, and so I intend to spend a comparable amount discussing him over other options.

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 06:21:19AM 9 points [-]

Hmm. It seems it was supposed to be obvious it wasn't Riddle. How odd.

Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2012 03:49:44PM 0 points [-]

Why does it seem that way?

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 04:18:25PM 1 point [-]
Comment author: Vaniver 11 April 2012 05:50:14PM 0 points [-]

Okay. I still stand by my probability (after I revised it down from the Noble House conversation) but it's irrelevant because the new birthdate suggests Quirrel is supposed to be a non-canon character.

Comment author: pedanterrific 11 April 2012 11:26:22PM *  0 points [-]

You sure? The graduation date didn't change, so it's still one of Riddle's classmates. How many boys were sorted into Slytherin in 1938?

Edit: I just realized class sizes in 1991 have been more than doubled from canon, so you may have a point.

Comment author: Desrtopa 12 April 2012 02:19:24AM 1 point [-]

It strikes me as simply bettter writing, or at least, better fanfiction writing, if this new, extremely skilled and competent and apparently original character, can be explained by the original divergence between HPMoR and canon, and the most obvious way for that to be the case is if Voldemort controlled or impersonated him in some way, making his competence a consequence of Voldemort's competence.