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3 Post author: FAWS 11 April 2012 03:39AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 April 2012 05:50:25AM 3 points [-]

...I don't know if I can back you on that one, I mean, I've seen Utena, but it wasn't my primary source material for Quirrell's bitterness (and neither was Atlas Shrugged). I don't suppose you have the FSN comment handy? That sounds a lot more plausible (w/r/t heroism).

Comment author: Nornagest 11 April 2012 05:52:18AM *  4 points [-]

Unfortunately, no. I'm not even sure it was here; it may have been over at TV Tropes when I still posted there.

I'm not accusing you of deliberately riffing on either work, though. It's just that FSN is all about a certain way of thinking about heroes -- you wouldn't be far wrong if you called it a character study of the "hero" role -- and Utena is largely (it's a more thematically complicated work) about the way non-heroes respond to heroic effort, and I'm seeing reflections of both here.

Although there's more than a bit of the latter in the Unlimited Blade Works route and in Fate/zero, too. I watched Utena first, though, so it has the benefit of primacy effects in my head.