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ArisKatsaris comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 15, chapter 84 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: ArisKatsaris 12 April 2012 09:09:48AM *  5 points [-]

When I awoke, I had lost half my karma and I was ready to fight about it.
[...] and I am sure as hell not going to change what I wrote now, rules or no rules.

Too bad, agreeing to follow the rules of the thread, even if that means editing/rot13ing past comments, would have been the easiest way to get your karma back.

Edited to add: Some Quirrel-type lesson about learning when to lose, and the costs of needless escalation, seems appropriate.

Comment author: pleeppleep 12 April 2012 06:25:04PM 4 points [-]

The initial shock of having lost so much karma was the only time I felt I really "lost" here. I notice that karma loss does more to infuriate than actually punish, and that it has the potential to hurt the site more than me, by nullifying my ability to reach a larger audience when I have something important to say. When I see a rule I don't like, I tend to ignore it, not that doing so was my intention here. My problem wasn't that I lost karma, it was that I was accused of wrongdoing which I did not believe myself to have committed.

(That said, you are probably right about learning to lose. One of my biggest problems has been that I find escalation of conflict fun after it reaches a point where I cannot possibly win. I'm very popular with authority, as you could probably guess.)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 12 April 2012 06:31:29PM 3 points [-]

I find escalation of conflict fun after it reaches a point where I cannot possibly win. I'm very popular with authority, as you could probably guess.

I would also guess that many of your peers don't much care for the escalation of conflict for its own sake, either.

Comment author: pleeppleep 12 April 2012 06:53:35PM *  -2 points [-]

no, just authority.

Comment author: pedanterrific 12 April 2012 06:55:40PM 0 points [-]

(The people who downvoted you here are your peers, not authority.)

Comment author: pedanterrific 12 April 2012 08:17:03PM 0 points [-]

Okay, I'm honestly curious: why the downvotes? I thought I was being helpful.

Comment author: Random832 12 April 2012 08:30:24PM 1 point [-]

As far as he knew it was gone. I wouldn't have predicted that you (presumably) and thomblake make a habit of monitoring posts you downvote for changes, and I'm not sure if you're not being too optimistic to expect it of the others who downvoted.

Comment author: Percent_Carbon 13 April 2012 06:20:23AM 1 point [-]

When I started here I went back and changed posts, hoping that downvotes would be replaced with upvotes. There was little reaction and I think it really wasn't worth the time.

Near as I can tell, the easiest way to get your karma back is to make a top level post repeating what other people are already saying in storytelling way. That may fall out of fashion at some point, though, so don't over invest your time in developing your storytelling and other people repeating skills, or whatever.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 13 April 2012 08:39:37AM 0 points [-]

I wouldn't have predicted that you (presumably) and thomblake make a habit of monitoring posts you downvote for changes,

We were still in the discussion thread. I don't promise to stick around indefinitely, but he would have obviously chosen to mention he has now fixed it, same way that he chose to complain instead.