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MarkusRamikin comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: MarkusRamikin 18 April 2012 09:46:56AM *  1 point [-]

And from what he imagines the future will think. Updating on evidence that hasn't arrived yet?

EDIT: is the negative karma a mere "I think differently" or did I do something objectionable?

Comment author: Benquo 18 April 2012 01:55:58PM 5 points [-]

Updating on evidence that hasn't arrived yet?

Not quite. I think the point is that because we aren't perfect Bayesian reasoners, we neglect to update on some of the available evidence. But getting into the right frame of mind can help you avoid that. (Cf. the reasoning behind Harry's decision to tell McGonagall about the Parseltongue message from the sorting hat.)

The heuristic Harry is using here, is to imagine a future test he thinks would be decisive, and ask himself what outcome he expects from that test. That's a way to "unlock" and find out about your beliefs about the present.

Personally, I get very little use out of this technique, since my problem tends to be uncertainty about the likely consequences of my actions, not uncertainty about which outcome would be best.

Comment author: Xachariah 19 April 2012 07:34:33PM *  8 points [-]

Personally, I get very little use out of this technique, since my problem tends to be uncertainty about the likely consequences of my actions, not uncertainty about which outcome would be best.

Have you tried it on a micro-scale? I employ a modified version of this technique as a constant motivation tool. (Eg, I don't feel like going to the gym and prefer to read things on the internet, so I query my future self from 4 hours ahead and future self from a couple days ahead for each Everett branch of action and poll my imagination of their opinions. Invariably the 4 possible-future me's all outvote present me and force me to the gym.)

I find it very good for peer pressuring myself with my future selves, but it only works on things I cognitively know the 'right' answer to yet am emotionally unconvinced by. It also helps exceptionally well for hyperbolic discounting. I think that Harry is using a similar tool to line up his emotions and motivations with what he knows cognitively and to avoid the shortsighted path (Kill 2/3rds of the Wizengamot) in lieu of the path he'd previously decided on.

Comment author: Benquo 19 April 2012 08:43:28PM 1 point [-]

Actually, it is pretty useful in timescales up to about a week. After that I can't really imagine myself or predict the future very well.

For some reason I compartmentalized and failed to notice that this is the same technique applied to much longer timespans.

Comment author: Vaniver 18 April 2012 04:29:16PM 2 points [-]

And from what he imagines the future will think.

And where does he learn how to imagine about the future? From the past, or from his fiction?

Comment author: wedrifid 18 April 2012 01:09:37PM 2 points [-]

And from what he imagines the future will think. Updating on evidence that hasn't arrived yet?

That is still updating based on evidence that he already has albeit via a possibly dubious application of imagination to make predictions.

EDIT: is the negative karma a mere "I think differently" or did I do something objectionable?

No idea.