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Larks comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: Larks 18 April 2012 04:19:21PM 1 point [-]

Are Harry's Slytherin,etc. sides characters with different values or different beliefs?

If the later, his decision sounds crazy. Could his estimate as to the plausibility of Superman-Plan really be so finely balanced that a single death would push Utilitarian-Scheming ahead?

Comment author: chaosmosis 18 April 2012 04:45:56PM 7 points [-]

I don't think Superman was chosen because of its probability. He's doing it because he's too weak to be a perfect utilitarian, because he is human and can't do otherwise.

Comment author: Locke 18 April 2012 06:52:41PM 0 points [-]

So, Eliezer isn't human? Or am I missing something?

Comment author: SkyDK 18 April 2012 07:04:59PM 3 points [-]

I doubt he is a perfect utilitarian.

Comment author: drethelin 18 April 2012 04:27:59PM 7 points [-]

Well either being superman is possible, and he CAN save everyone, or it's not and he can't. Once he fails to save someone, it's clear he's not living in a world where he can save everyone. Once you're in a world where it's impossible to save everyone, trying to be superman is now a decision that's off the table.

Comment author: gjm 18 April 2012 09:43:19PM 2 points [-]

Are Harry's Slytherin, etc., sides characters with different values or different beliefs?

Different values and also different thinking styles, I think.

Comment author: chaosmosis 18 April 2012 10:02:27PM 0 points [-]

I'd say mostly just different thinking styles, with different ways of weighing value, but still with common values.

All of them value lives, for example (except dark side who was silent). But they're disagreeing about how to save lives.