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anotherblackhat comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: kilobug 19 April 2012 03:26:34PM 8 points [-]

Additionally, it seems (at least in cannon) that making a Horcrux mutilates the person, damaging (or completely destroying) his ability to love, use empathy, ... so from an utilitarian point of view, it's not "a lot of life years" again "a few life years" but "a lot of years living a mutilated life" against "a few years living a complete life", which is not the same.

And if horcruxing really gets rid of empathy, love and related emotions, it's likely that if it were generalized, the whole society would collapse - leading to lots of negative utility.

Comment author: anotherblackhat 19 April 2012 06:01:09PM 4 points [-]

The only cannon example is Voldemort who mangled his soul six or seven times. A single Horcrux might be less destructive. Also, we may be confusing cause and effect. But then we also have no examples of a Horcurx actually extending life - Voldemort's was cut short despite making several.

I would also like to point out that it's possible to value diversity. The utility of a single point of view for 200 years may not be as great as two points of view for 90.

Comment author: pangel 20 April 2012 01:04:41AM 2 points [-]

The soul-mangling is what causes Voldemort's snake-like appearance, IIRC, and MoR!McGonagall remembers a snake-like Voldemort from her battles. So either MoR!Voldemort has been doing some serious damage to his soul, or he decided to look freakish just for effect and stumbled by chance upon the exact same look which canon!Voldemort got from making Horcruxes.

Comment author: gjm 20 April 2012 08:19:10AM 6 points [-]

stumbled by chance upon the exact same look

Why isn't "EY is making him look like in canon" a sufficient explanation for the look being exactly the same? It would be a rotten explanation within the MoRverse, of course, but within the MoRverse there's no coincidence to need explaining.

Comment author: pangel 20 April 2012 01:21:04PM 6 points [-]

I see your point. As an author I would think I'm misdirecting my readers by doing that though; "Voldemort has the same deformity as in canon? He's been playing with Horcruxes!" is the reasoning I would expect from them. Which is why I would, say, remove Quirrell's turban as soon as my plot had Voldemort not on the back of Quirrell's head.

Comment author: Desrtopa 20 April 2012 06:52:38PM 0 points [-]

The soul-mangling is what causes Voldemort's snake-like appearance, IIRC

I don't think this is ever made explicit. It's probably the reason J. K. Rowling had in mind, but I don't think there's anything in the text that rules out the possibility that he looked that way because he wanted to.

Comment author: chaosmosis 22 April 2012 06:00:13PM *  1 point [-]

Well, the book shows a progression which correlates with the creation of Horcruxes via some of the flashbacks. There's a scene where he's in Dumbledore's office asking for a job/planning to hid the Horcrux somewhere and he looks half evil Voldie and half handsome Tom.