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Comment author: 75th 22 April 2012 12:17:55AM 0 points [-]

How do we know it's wrong? As far as I can remember, the only two deaths to which we can pin the creation of horcruxes are Moaning Myrtle's and Harry Potter's. Myrtle herself wasn't significant, but she was the casualty of Slytherin's Basilisk, which Tom Riddle had commanded, which proved that he was the Heir of Slytherin. It was his coming out as the Heir of Slytherin, which would have been very significant to Riddle.

Comment author: pedanterrific 22 April 2012 12:50:05AM 5 points [-]

All the sources I've found indicate the deaths used to create the Horcruxes are Myrtle (diary) - Riddle Sr. (ring) - an unnamed Muggle tramp (locket) - Hepzibah Smith (cup) - an unnamed Albanian peasant (diadem) - Voldemort himself (Harry) - Bertha Jorkins (Nagini), in that order.

Comment author: 75th 22 April 2012 03:30:56AM 1 point [-]

Ah yeah, that list does ring a bell. Right you are, then.

Comment author: glumph 27 April 2012 06:52:55PM *  0 points [-]

I thought that the Nagini horcrux was made via the killing of Frank Bryce. Don't have the book with me to check, though.

Comment author: shminux 27 April 2012 07:00:34PM 1 point [-]

This being the 21st century, shall we make it up or look it up?

Comment author: glumph 01 May 2012 02:12:55AM *  1 point [-]

This is the quote I had in mind, from Chapter 23 of HBP:

‘He [Voldemort] seems to have reserved the process of making Horcruxes for particularly significant deaths. You would certainly have been that. He believed that in killing you, he was destroying the danger the prophecy had outlined. He believed he was making himself invincible. I am sure that he was intending to make his final Horcrux with your death.

‘As we know, he failed. After an interval of some years, however, he used Nagini to kill an old Muggle man, and it might then have occurred to him to turn her into his last Horcrux.

If Dumbledore is right, then Bertha Jorkins could not have been murdered to make that Horcrux, because she was already dead. Is there an interview where Rowling says otherwise? I don't see anything on the wiki page (a citation, or other reference) that backs up their claim.

Comment author: pedanterrific 01 May 2012 03:11:20AM 1 point [-]

It's on the talk page. Link is broken, though.

Comment author: glumph 01 May 2012 06:34:46AM 0 points [-]

Saved by the Wayback Machine. Thanks. I should have checked the talk page.

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