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pedanterrific comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: pedanterrific 23 April 2012 03:47:13AM *  13 points [-]

In canon, Bellatrix Lestrange is married to Rodolphus Lestrange and does not have a child. In MoR, Bellatrix Black is unmarried, but has a child- Lesath Lestrange, the acknowledged bastard of Rastaban Lestrange. (In canon Rodolphus' brother's name was Rabastan, but I'm assuming that's a typo.) Lesath is currently a fifth year, so he was born in either '75 or '76. Bellatrix was actively leading attacks as a Death Eater in '71. Presumably a pregnancy would require some amount of maternity leave from the whole 'going on raids, fighting Aurors' thing.

So. Why would Voldemort allow / order one of his most powerful servants to have a child?

Comment author: DanArmak 06 May 2012 12:45:52AM 7 points [-]

Um. Maybe he was experimenting with the powerful magic protection that a mother's love grants her child?

Comment author: glumph 07 May 2012 01:48:39AM 0 points [-]

We know that LL loves his mother, but does she love her son? Does she love anyone but Voldemort?

Comment author: DanArmak 07 May 2012 02:38:19AM 3 points [-]

She'd love her son if Voldermort wanted to make her love him.

Seriously, this has got to be true just for subversion value.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 April 2012 04:02:15AM *  5 points [-]

Given that his ideology is based to blood purity, he may very well (at least put up a show of) encouraging purebloods to have children.

Also, given what we know about Bellatrix's relationship to Voldemort, maybe Lesath is actually Voldemort's son and Rastaban adopted him after Voldemort's downfall, falsely acknowledging paternity so he wouldn't have the stigma of being the son of a dark lord.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 April 2012 04:22:05AM 3 points [-]

Given that his ideology is based to blood purity, he may very well (at least put up a show of) encouraging purebloods to have children.

He chose to express this viewpoint by ordering his extremely loyal, highly skilled unmarried female pureblood warrior-assassin to have a kid in the middle of a war?

maybe Lesath is actually Voldemort's [son]

This is possible, but... he's kind of, you know, wimpy. I'm just not seeing it. (Also, it seems like we might have gotten some indication that Quirrell has interacted with him somehow, if this were true.)

Rastaban adopted [him] after Voldemort's downfall

Rastaban was in Azkaban immediately after Voldemort's downfall. Also, Lesath was somewhere around five years old at the time.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 April 2012 04:27:54AM 2 points [-]

He chose to express this viewpoint by ordering his extremely loyal, highly skilled unmarried female pureblood warrior-assassin to have a kid in the middle of a war?

Well, the Nazi's did something similar.

Comment author: pedanterrific 24 April 2012 04:39:04AM 5 points [-]

Let me rephrase:

He chose to express this viewpoint by ordering his extremely loyal, highly skilled warrior-assassin to get pregnant in the middle of a war?

That's the relevant bit, and also coincidentally the part where the Lebensborn analogy breaks down.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 24 April 2012 04:09:02AM 2 points [-]

she wouldn't have the stigma of being the daughter of a dark lor

Minor note- Lesath is a boy.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 24 April 2012 04:24:41AM 1 point [-]

Thanks fixed.

Comment author: Aharon 05 May 2012 10:37:59PM *  2 points [-]

1) Even in Muggle society, there are women who work close to their normal capacity despite pregnancy up to shortly before birth. 2) The physiological consequences after birth can probably be healed by magic. 3) Voldemort might also enjoy causing her psychological pain by having her become attached to the child she will bear and then taking it away from her afterwards. He continued torturing her well after he already had her total loyalty, so this might just be another way to do so.

Comment author: SkyDK 23 April 2012 02:20:57PM 2 points [-]

a) I s'pose he does expect losses. Replenishing his ranks in the long term seems to be an acceptable idea (he is, more or less, immortal) b) Pity points? Perhaps the good guys held back against a pregnant woman? c) How long is she realistically out of the game, considering wet-nurses, time-turners and so on: half a year? d) If Bellatrix had gotten reckless, having a kid might have been a good way to rein her in a little bit..

Comment author: Logos01 24 April 2012 03:39:18AM *  4 points [-]

Emotional blackmail on LeStrange. Also -- half a year is too long a time period. by far.

Figure without time turners but with healing magics and potions an eight month birth. Rip the kid out of her womb, and heal her back into active duty. You lose her services for maybe a month. (Up to six months in and she's still combat-capable.)

Heal both kid and mother, and there you go. (also, if we can assume accelerated gestation potions then we get even more silly. No "downtime" at all No need for time turners.)