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ArisKatsaris comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 16, chapter 85 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: RobertLumley 17 September 2012 01:23:26AM *  3 points [-]

From chapter 74: "Even so, the most terrible ritual known to me demands only a rope which has hanged a man and a sword which has slain a woman; and that for a ritual which promised to summon Death itself - though what is truly meant by that I do not know and do not care to discover, since it was also said that the counterspell to dismiss Death had been lost."

I missed this the first time I read it, but to me, it seems to pretty clearly refer to creating a dementor - Quirrell doesn't understand what it means because he doesn't know about the true patronus charm. Anyone have any theories on how this will be used, or if I'm off entirely? I can't imagine Harry creating a dementor, and Harry never seems to realize what this actually means. But Quirrell seems like he would if Harry ever told him about the true patronus form.

http://predictionbook.com/predictions/8287

http://predictionbook.com/predictions/8286

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 17 September 2012 08:48:49AM *  6 points [-]

Having just read most of Lawrence Watt-Evans' Ethsar series, I recognize now this as a reference to the spell of Seething Death.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 September 2012 11:34:10AM *  0 points [-]

Darn, I was sure it referred to the secret origin of the dementors, and/or the deathly hallows.

Oh well.

I suppose it was just a misdirection for (from?) this:

the chant of every ritual names that which is to be sacrificed, and that which is to be gained [...] always, in each element of the ritual, first is named that which is sacrificed, and then is said the use commanded of it.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 September 2012 11:44:42AM 0 points [-]

... And now I've found this and don't know what to think.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 18 September 2012 11:49:27AM 3 points [-]

There's no necessary incompatibility. The specific ingredients may have been chosen to be a homage and a reference to Lawrence Watt-Evans Seething Death and yet the described ritual can still contain foreshadowing for HPMoR's plot as well.

Comment author: MugaSofer 18 September 2012 12:06:01PM *  0 points [-]

I suppose. I'm less worried about the ingredients as the "missing counterspell". It just seems too central to the plot - I can't see the whole story being based on something that's a reference to something else. As I said, I'm still updating on the possible connection to the opening paragraph.