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18 Post author: Raiden 05 May 2012 10:38PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 06 May 2012 08:01:54AM 5 points [-]

This seems like genuinely terrible advice. Why is blunted affect not a problem when life is less enjoyable for it?

Comment author: duckduckMOO 06 May 2012 01:16:49PM *  2 points [-]

because life is less painful for it, presumably. Blunted affect means everything is blunted. Anhedonia is the one that blunts one way.

edit: to illustrate: imagine going through high school. Would you prefer to do it blunted or unblunted?

Comment author: Raiden 06 May 2012 05:13:54PM 1 point [-]

I seem to prefer negative emotions to feeling nothing at all. Feeling nothing seems to be almost like not living. Is this why some people cut themselves and are suicidal?

Comment author: erratio 06 May 2012 05:22:33PM 1 point [-]

It's certainly one of the reasons, although they also do it to escape or distract from what feels like overwhelming negative emotions.

But yeah, I'm with you on the negative emotions > no emotions. First time I got really depressed, I noticed and celebrated (as much as I was able) when I started being able to feel things again, even though most of those feelings were variations on 'sad'.

Comment author: hairyfigment 06 May 2012 11:41:36PM -1 points [-]

imagine going through high school. Would you prefer to do it blunted or unblunted?

You may have high school confused with middle school. Either way, I would have preferred to know that I had some chance of avoiding death, or at least putting it off for millenia, and could afford to think about reality in a deliberate and organized way.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 09 May 2012 02:40:12AM 1 point [-]

Raiden doesn't control his life. The "blunted affect" is protectively shutting out the empty horror of his condition while his mind, even without conscious direction, tries to process just what his situation is. He's not even at the stage of formulating a strategic response because he hasn't formed a model of his situation; he doesn't really understand it. All he notices is this ugly absence of feeling.

So what has to happen is that his mind must continue its work. To do this he needs to dwell in that emptiness for as long as he can stand to do so, and as often as circumstances allow, until the job is done.

At least, that is how I surmise things were for him, a few days ago. Obviously I'm making some big guesses.