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jimrandomh comments on [LINK] stats.stackexchange.com question about Shalizi's Bayesian Backward Arrow of Time paper - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: jimrandomh 16 May 2012 07:01:48PM 1 point [-]

The linked paper explicitly assumes that

The evolution operator T is invertible.

But if you use QM in the conventional way, then this assumption doesn't hold. Suppose you have a state X1 which can evolve into either X2 or X3 with equal probability. You would say that state X1 evolves into the weighted set [1/2 X2 + 1/2 X3]. Shalizi proves that this set has no more entropy than X1 did.

But we, as observers or as part of that system, only get to look at one of the branches, either X2 or X3. Picking which of those two branches we get to look at adds one bit of new entropy, and this selection is not invertible. This is where the increase in entropy with time comes from. What Shalizi has done, is to use math in which all entropy originates in quantum branching, then forget that quantum branching happens.

Comment author: jsteinhardt 19 May 2012 02:43:36PM 1 point [-]

Evolving into 1/2 x2 + 1/2 x3 is not a quantum operation that can occur in a closed system (it requires at the very least tracing over an auxiliary qubit).

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 16 May 2012 08:07:26PM 0 points [-]

You got downvoted on stackexchange, which I disagree with - you may wish to point out that your argument is the flip side of the other response: if you fix the closed system requirement, then you find the source of entropy.