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Comment author: Multiheaded 08 June 2012 09:53:30AM *  0 points [-]

Um, how to put it... it leads to stunning intolerance for other kinds of "dogma", including wholesome, psychologically healthy ideology or religion. Religious fanatics might hate infidels, but at least they can understand & admit vital human feelings like faith; intolerance for "blindness" or "delusion", the insistence that there's one calculable right way to run things is culturally destructive, throwing the baby out with the bathwater in literally all cases - even iif it might spare individuals, it enroaches upon the complex, often beautiful patterns of their culture.

I hope you wouldn't deny that the "rationality" of RAND, RAF Marshal Harris, Kissinger or their Soviet/Chinese counterparts - the "rationality" of Dr. Strangelove - has been like a grey, soulless plague upon civilization. They all would've said that it produced slightly less misery than the alternatives they've considered, but I maintain that the indirect damage to humanity has been off the scale, and needn't have happened if our cleverness hadn't outstripped our sanity.

Go read Orwell's or someone else's notes about how we lost a gentler, less callous way of thought in the early 20th century, one that was so entwined with Christianity as to rot away and leave a gaping hole with the advance of aggressive materialism.

Comment author: Patrick 08 June 2012 01:57:45PM 0 points [-]

Which notes of Orwell's are you referring to? Orwell has seen tyranny and cruelty since boarding school. I really can't see him succumbing to wistful nostalgia.

Comment author: Multiheaded 08 June 2012 03:15:14PM *  1 point [-]

Notes on the Way

That's for a start. I already linked to that essay in the quotes thread. Also, one more in the same vein.

My Country Right or Left:

The young Communist who died heroically in the International Brigade was public school to the core. He had changed his allegiance but not his emotions. What does that prove? Merely the possibility of building a Socialist on the bones of a Blimp, the power of one kind of loyalty to transmute itself into another, the spiritual need for patriotism and the military virtues, for which, however little the boiled rabbits of the Left may like them, no substitute has yet been found.

There's other such bits of left-conservative, anti-pragmatist sentiment sprinkled throughout his essays. Hell, it's not a stretch to call him a National Socialist. I suggest that you take a fresh look, without the conventional view of Orwell - a petit-bourgeois view, I'd say - coloring your perception.

Also!

I really can't see him succumbing to wistful nostalgia.

Oh, but he did. Read Coming Up for Air.