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philh comments on Group rationality diary, 6/11/12 - Less Wrong Discussion

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Comment author: philh 13 June 2012 04:10:24PM *  1 point [-]

I've started (as of last Thursday, I think) taking melatonin. I originally took 1mg a night. I did not notice any effect from this. For the past few nights I've taken 2mg. I'd expected that this would cause me to feel tired half an hour after taking it, but this doesn't seem to be the case. But I have been going to bed anyway about half an hour after taking it, then reading for a bit, and then successfully sleeping for about eight hours. (Previously I would often lie awake for what-felt-like ages; sometimes literally more than an hour.) And my sleep cycle hasn't precessed this week, which it did the last few times I had no schedule to wake up for. So it seems to be an improvement. I haven't noticed myself feeling any different throughout the day.

Further experimentation: I should try 3mg, and I should try skipping some days. I'd also like to bring my sleep cycle back by a few hours by Saturday night, because I need to get up early on Sunday.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 June 2012 05:16:49PM 4 points [-]

Also try 300mcg (0.3 mg). If high doses of melatonin don't work or don't work well or seem to have no effect, the next step is to try a lower dosage.

Comment author: philh 17 June 2012 06:13:11PM 0 points [-]

Unfortunately I got it in 1mg capsules, rather than tablets which I could cut up. I might see what I can do though.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 June 2012 07:47:23PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: philh 17 June 2012 10:43:19PM 1 point [-]

Huh. It didn't occur to me that I could just buy more. Thanks.

Annoyingly, I'm in the UK - it looks like Amazon won't ship there, and the UK sellers I've found only sell capsules in 1mg increments. But there's this, which gives me hope that I'll be able to find some way of shipping 300mcg doses to the UK.

My current thinking is that I'll experiment by pulling capsules apart, and if a small dose turns out to be effective I'll try to get it in a more convenient form.

Comment author: listic 18 June 2012 01:03:59PM 4 points [-]

You can try reshipping service like Shipito.

Comment author: wedrifid 18 June 2012 01:10:55AM *  4 points [-]

Aqueous melatonin. Dilute as desired (ie. 1:9). Take a drop.

Comment author: bcoburn 18 June 2012 12:25:59AM 1 point [-]

You could also try dissolving the whole capsule in water, which might make measuring out specific fractions easier.

Comment author: thomblake 19 June 2012 03:40:37PM 1 point [-]

In my experience, melatonin is primarily good for experiencing vivid nightmares. I take it recreationally for that purpose.

Comment author: gwern 19 June 2012 04:05:45PM 0 points [-]

Huh. Now I don't know how to classify you in my list of anecdotes: negative, for experiencing vivid nightmares, or positive for taking it recreationally.

Comment author: thomblake 19 June 2012 04:06:17PM 0 points [-]

If it helps, not all the vivid dreams are nightmares.