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Comment author: Nornagest 19 June 2012 12:44:00AM 2 points [-]

Notice how you need to add the qualifier "New" to "Atheist movement" there in order to exclude all the atrocities committed by the old atheists.

Although linking the atrocities of 20th-century Communism to atheism seems to be a favorite trope of contemporary reaction, I'm confused as to why you chose to bring it up in the context of traditional rationality. Marxism might claim an empirical basis, but it's quite hostile to skepticism, and neither its atheism nor its claimed empiricism seem foundational to its social aims. Likewise, Dawkins et al. don't inherit from any of the major philosophers in the socialist family tree that I know of; they're both products of the Enlightenment, but they took quite different paths on their way here.

Moreover, the broader socialist movement isn't at all incompatible with religion: consider liberation theology.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 19 June 2012 01:19:33AM *  3 points [-]

Likewise, Dawkins et al. don't inherit from any of the major philosophers in the socialist family tree that I know of;

Well, Hitchens always considered himself a socialist.

Moreover, the broader socialist movement isn't at all incompatible with religion: consider liberation theology.

I could say the same about transhumanism.

Comment author: Multiheaded 19 June 2012 11:52:11AM 0 points [-]

Well, Hitchens always considered himself a socialist.

(BTW, many socialists would deny him the honor. Me, I think his reputation was certainly quite spotty from any ideological view - not that I hate him or anything.)

Comment author: Nornagest 19 June 2012 02:04:32AM *  -2 points [-]

I could say the say about transhumanism.

I wouldn't say you're wrong, but as I haven't seen anyone in this thread encouraging the lady in the OP to reject her conversion on transhumanist grounds, I'm again not sure why you're bringing it up.