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Multiheaded comments on Malthusian copying: mass death of unhappy life-loving uploads - Less Wrong Discussion

12 Post author: Stuart_Armstrong 02 July 2012 04:37PM

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Comment author: RobinHanson 02 July 2012 05:44:55PM *  10 points [-]

Stuart, it sounds like you think that the life of the typical animal, and of the typical human in history, were not worth living -- you'd prefer that they had never existed. Since you seem to think your own life worth living, you must see people like you as a rare exception, and may be unsure if your existence justifies all the suffering your ancestors went through to produce you. And you'd naturally be wary of a future of descendants with lives more like your ancestors' than like your own. What you'd most want from the future is to stop change enough to ensure that people very much like you continue to dominate.

If we conceive of "death" broadly, then pretty much any competitive scenario will have lots of "death", if we look at it on a large enough scale. But this hardly implies that individuals will often feel the emotional terror of an impending death - that depends far more on framing and psychology.

Comment author: Khoth 02 July 2012 06:15:04PM 5 points [-]

Something I've not been clear about (I think you might have changed your thinking about this):

Do you see your malthusian upload future as something that we should work to avoid, or work to bring about?

Comment author: Multiheaded 02 July 2012 07:50:55PM 4 points [-]

Hanson sees moral language as something he should work to avoid. :D

Comment author: Khoth 02 July 2012 09:06:58PM 5 points [-]

s/should/would prefer/ or whatever.