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Comment author: Andreas_Giger 03 July 2012 07:36:47PM *  18 points [-]

I'll bite:

The U.S. government deliberately provoked the attack on Pearl Harbour through diplomacy and/or fleet redeployment, and it was not by chance that the carriers of the U.S. Pacific Fleet weren't at port when the attack happened.

Very confident. (90-95%)

By the way, the reason I assume I am personally more rational about this than the LW average is that there are lots of US Americans around here, and I have sufficient evidence to believe that people tend to become less rational if a topic centrally involves a country they are emotionally involved with or whose educational system they went through.

Comment author: prase 03 July 2012 09:33:31PM 8 points [-]
  1. Do you think that the U.S. government provoked an attack specifically on Pearl Harbor, or that they just wanted the Japanese to attack somewhere?
  2. Where exactly do you place the boundary of deliberate provocation? That is, does not trying too hard to prevent the attack count, or had they have to be actively persuading the Japanese and moving the fleets into easily attackable positions?
Comment author: Andreas_Giger 04 July 2012 12:05:08PM 1 point [-]

Do you think that the U.S. government provoked an attack specifically on Pearl Harbor, or that they just wanted the Japanese to attack somewhere?

I think they wanted the Japanese to attack somewhere, but they were aware of the fact that Pearl Harbor was a likely target.

Where exactly do you place the boundary of deliberate provocation? That is, does not trying too hard to prevent the attack count, or had they have to be actively persuading the Japanese and moving the fleets into easily attackable positions?

I think they were actively persuading the Japanese to commit some act of war, and were not trying too hard to prevent the specific act of war that happened.

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