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Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 July 2012 02:26:30PM 10 points [-]

Education is full of irrationality. You can't say anything with bad connotations about children, because that's a big taboo. You can't say that a child is too stupid to understand something. You can't say that if a child always refuses to cooperate, it is impossible to teach them. The official hypothesis is that each child is perfect, so if they don't become Einstein, it's someone else's fault, and we should express moral outrage about such loss of a talent. In recent years, the consensus seems to be on blaming the teachers. So it is refreshing to hear an alternative explanation.

But I think that difference in IQ is only part of the story. It explains why some people will always fail. But it does not explain why recently more people fail at school (at least in my country it seems so). Here is an interesting comment from Scott Adams' blog:

Coincidentally, my sister raised this topic last month. She works as an Early Childhood Educator caring for 2,3 and 4 year olds. She has worked at it for over 25 years and in the last 10 years she and her coworkers have noticed that increasingly even 3 year olds kids are unable to amuse themselves or self organize into games where they make up their own rules. Without direction they just sit there waiting to be entertained or told what to do. The cause is not clear, but 2 year olds do not spend a lot of time surfing the web. Maybe they are modelling the adults in their life?

This fits my model that recent bad outputs of school systems are caused by bad inputs. But the causes of the "bad inputs" can be both in biology or in environment. If a child is retarded, that's bad for the school results. But if parents don't cooperate in their child's education (if the child instead of making their homework spends the whole day with Facebook or Counter-Strike), that's bad too.

Comment author: David_Gerard 04 July 2012 03:49:56PM 1 point [-]

You can't say that a child is too stupid to understand something.

Not publicly, but teachers know it, or at least those of my acquaintance.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 04 July 2012 06:35:26PM *  4 points [-]

Yeah, I meant that you can't say it outside of the school. If you do, a typical reaction is: "If you don't like children, you are not a good teacher." Because it is assumed that if you like children, you would never say anything with a negative connotation; and if you don't like them, you are a psychopath and should be kept far away from them.

So, either the children are perfect, which means that if they don't get good grades, you are a bad teacher; or you disagree that the children are perfect, which proves that you are a bad teacher. -- The only way to signal that you are a good teacher, is to give best grades to everyone. Some teachers use this strategy, knowingly or not.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 July 2012 07:16:26PM 3 points [-]

Many managers use this strategy during industry performance reviews, as well.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 July 2012 08:57:37PM *  1 point [-]

Mine too, and I know quite a few of them. They aren't shy about it -- the PC-ness has been thoroughly beaten out of them by experience.