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Comment author: duckduckMOO 04 July 2012 09:30:02PM 2 points [-]

"Some children are more athletic than others, and some children are more intelligent than others. Starting among conservatives, but now spreading to some liberals, is a rejection of this premise via blaming teachers. "

That some people will be naturally better than others does not mean there are no low hanging fruit that could make people on average much more athletic and/or more intelligent. He doesn't explicitly claim otherwise but just to spell it out: that humans are not identical does not mean they are reaching anywhere near their potential. Teachers obviously aren't wholly to blame for any failings but the following possibilites are perfectly compatible: that there is variance among humans, that children are falling far short of their potential, that this is the fault of teachers (or the fault of the people that hire them depending on how you want to look at it.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 July 2012 10:10:43PM 0 points [-]

children are falling far short of their potential, that this is the fault of teachers (or the fault of the people that hire them depending on how you want to look at it.

Or even, depending on how I want to look at it, the fault of the people who trained them.
Of course, looking at it that way only makes sense if I'm willing to ascribe their failure to achieve their (assumed) potential as teachers to the actions, or failures to act, of the folks who trained them.
Which it seems like I ought to be willing to do, if I'm willing to ascribe their students' failures to achieve their (assumed) potential to the folks who teach them.

Comment author: duckduckMOO 04 July 2012 10:19:30PM *  -1 points [-]

Unless you give the kids a pass for being kids.

edit: which I think is inconsistent. There's no schelling point, but it seems to be the normal attitude.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 July 2012 10:55:10PM 0 points [-]

(nods) I agree that it's the normal attitude, but I also agree that it's inconsistent.